EVE General Discussion

Communities have evolved from the primordial soup that was the start of incursions. You have the casual runners, including those new to incursions, who will join any fleet that is available; they don’t know the other people in the fleet and they aren’t aware of the proficiency of the other fleet members. They are taking the first tentative steps of trusting the fleet to keep them alive. They are not rich but they are apprehensively willing to risk their ship, which they probably can’t afford to lose, in order to gain a share of untold riches, grasping with both hands at that which is just out of reach; not yet attainable but agonisingly close.

Then there are those who have been running for a while, still using the T1 hulls and now beginning to get to know certain other incursion runners. They begin to coalesce and form the nucleus of fleets, accepting new incursion runners and thus the wheel turns, feeding in the new blood that every community needs to survive and grow. They run the sites, learning, and are generally successful; the Iskies and LPs slowly start to flow. They want more. They aspire to greater things.

Efficiency. That is the goal of earning maximum iskies and LP in the shortest time. This is where the experienced runners come into their own. Skilled up to an incredible level, pirate hulls, up-rated mods, honed site tactics, the shiny ones, these incursion runners know each other, understand their place and responsibilities in the fleet, know they can rely on other the members, can concentrate on the task at hand, to kill the site ASAP.

These established shiny fleets also take new members, those who aspire to join from the other, less-efficient fleets. The path is hard, skill training takes time, expensive upgrades to fund but the end result justifies the pain. Greater earning capacity and membership of some of the best fleets. The wheel turns, the community continues to grow.

So, how is this affecting the incursion community? Area denial, as a concept, can work but appears not to in this instance. The difference in basic ethos between the FLEET and the PERPETRATORS is the essence of the conflict, a clash of opposing cultures (sound like real life?). Everyone is in it for the Iskies and the LP, fact. It is how each community achieves that goal that is the difference. The PERPETRATORS use boxes to maximise their own income, only allowing “human outsiders” to fill open fleet slots once their boxes are in position. They grind the sites. There is nothing wrong with that, each to their own. There is a fundamental flaw with this, though. Inflexibility. They find it difficult to cope with anything outside the norm and a contest, to them, is outside the norm. This results in them, generally, losing contests against the FLEET. They do win some but they lose more than they win. Other fleets, outside of these two, have commented on the hypocrisy of the PERPETRATORS, as they state they will close an incursion if they are contested yet they will willingly contest some of the lesser fleets. Difficult to reconcile this, really. They also try to pass the blame of their actions on to the FLEET, as stated in their MOTD. A somewhat naive approach to justify what is, essentially, a selfish overall attitude. Nevertheless, remember this is a sandbox and……….. they don’t care what others think.

Whereas the FLEET prioritises the use of humans and prefers them to boxes. Providing humans are available, boxes will be dispensed with. This, allied with specialised ship fits and pilot skill requirements, gives the FLEET an inherent advantage, flexability. They are able to easily adapt to changing scenarios, each human in charge of a single ship, quickly employing different tactics, mid-site if necessary. This allows them to arrive at a new site and lay down significant firepower, a distinct advantage. Is it all rosy in the FLEET’s garden, though? They are accused of being elitist. This could be true but in their defence they allow new pilots into the FLEET with lesser skills and fits, providing those same pilots show a commitment to skill up and improve fits in the shortest time available. Accusations persist; nevertheless, remember this is a sandbox and……….. they don’t care what others think.

A clash of cultures, then. A different way of looking at things. Are either the FLEET or the PERPETRATORs innocent in all this? Undoubtedly, there is an impact on the rest of the incursion community but when the major players disagree there will always be fallout. Losers and winners. Given the evolution of incursions so far it is unlikely this stalemate will remain for long. Some enterprising capsuleer will develop a counter tactic to negate the current impasse.

Where and when will this next evolution manifest itself, only time will tell.

Incursions working as intended? You decide.

Oh, I don't know, incursion runners have plenty of time to read it, the last Hi-sec Mom has just been popped early, again ...lol

Yes and no imo.

huge blocks of text, no apparent point being made by the end of the first post...

yeah even if the last mom has been popped, doing anything but reading the rest of your posts really is a more productive use of time.

One fleet contesting all the other fleets and another group popping moms to prevent the fleet from earning isk.

Incursion drama best drama. Working as intended.


There is the tl;dr for your post

Why are you so trusting of all those words actually being true ????

Where did I say I was trusting them all? I simply said that it sparked some interest.

Forum pvp is an amusing yet fundamentally unsatisfying thing to observe.

Having to read it a second time is part of the problem with a wall of text. Everyone wants to write an essay, yet no one wants to use any sort of proper format. It frankly makes it painful to try to read through and many times the salient points are lost.

Yeah, I have seen some bad walls of text, and agree salient points can be lost. The main reason I had to read it twice is because of a lack of familiarity with the incursions. A certain amount of familiarity is assumed by the OP.