EVE General Discussion

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Red crosses as npcs

Lots of travel

(went back to wow)



Good luck getting idiot gamers to stay here when there are many more loud noises and shiny things in other games....oh yeah and cut scenes we need cut scenes.

You know? I've attempted to convert several people to play this game. They all quit and then said something to the effect of "The PvE sucks!"

When I asked them if they tried any PvP, the response was along the lines of "Why? PvP'ers are just griefers and jerks"

When I asked them if they tried to have any fun with the market they said "that's too much math, it's too hard".

The moral of the story is, play to your strengths. The PvE in this game can never be any good, don't waste time on it, get people to do the stuff that is actually fun about this game, and player retention might improve.

Granted, I do not believe the life or death of this game rides on it, it's done fine so far. But getting a few here and there more than we had before can't be bad.

It was an observation.
I wanted to address it, but realised that the chance that you'll dismiss it was equal to the chance
that you'll dismiss my simple oneliner, so i didn't bother.

First of all is his assumption pretty much right. CCP actively pushes towards creating more and more
conflict in every part of the galaxy.

You put the game into zones, where there are none. The only differences between these
"zones" are consequences for specific player interaction. (and rewards, which are unrelated to your post)

Everybody can mine in safety everywhere.
It's independent of the security status of the system.

Explanation:
Safety is not related to the systems security status, but related to the attention somebody pays to his surroundings
and takes precautions regarding his safety.
You can be ganked in highsec, lowsec or nullsec.
No difference.


You can mine afk in highsec, lowsec or nullsec and will die either way,
because you do not pay attention to your surroundings.
Somebody will sneak up and kill you.

Counterproof:
You can mine safely in high-, low- or nullsec, as long as you pay attention to your surroundings
and take precautions regarding your safety.

Assuming that somebody should be able to mine afk safely in highsec displays a misunderstanding
of how the game works.


Also does highsec have ressources people can and do fight for.
For example spots around moons for POSes. Belts. Exploration sites.

People can and do fight for these, by various means.


Drop your belief that the game is split into different zones with different activies.
Yes, obviously different systems with different security ratings are different,
but systems with equal security ratings are equally different too.
The differences are not related to the security of the player,
but to the consequences of player interaction.

The belief that the game is split into zones is a common misconception,
which leads to people believing that "highsec should be safe" and "PvPers should go to lowsec".

These people tend to ignore that the game is an open world pvp game,
which it would not be (and would fail to function) if there were zones
prohibiting people from doing something they can do somewhere else.
(excluding obvious things like supercaps in highsec, because they'd be OP, etc)

People can equally solo, small gang or blob in highsec, lowsec or nullsec.
No difference either.


Hope i didn't miss anything.

No way to power-level a maxed character in days

No AOEs to farm critters afk

Can't use the Level 80 ships in high sec

(went back to STO)

Yes, probably you are. A developer may provide the players with tools so they generate player content in hisec and not jsut in nullsec. And player driven PvE is generated by players so other players enjoy it as the creators are rewarded for creating the content.

It would help if you could provide an example of what you imagine
to be player created (driven?) PvE.

The way i understand you, there would be no need to create Player driven PvE,
because there's no reason to have players create "missions" that let's other players
go against NPCs.

Otoh, i understand that there are players who do not want to engage other players.
That said, having content that enables players to pretty much "always win"
(which is the conclusion of every PvE in every game nowadays) does not really make sense.

This opinion is based on the observation that there are lots of players who
want to be "heros". PvE does that. PvE is there to consume. Players fight NPCs
and will always win in the long run, creating a fals belief of being "great", "awesome", "a hero".
This is connected to: instant gratification and achievements.

Then comes in the other player, kicking said "heros" rear end,
making the "hero" whine to no end because his bloated ego got literally blown up in smoke.

No, I am pretty sure you covered everything, and thank you for taking your time to explain things from your point of view.

I've been in this game long enough to have learnt that high sec is never 'safe' safe. It's all down to relative degrees of safety, and it's how I compartmentalise the areas in my own head. The rules in High, Low and Null all factor into just how easy it is to PvP and risks and rewards for doing so. People tend to view High Sec as 'safe' almost entirely due to the rules making it a lot more difficult to randomly gank. Sure, people get ganked if they're being daft enough (Hello, a gazillion plex filled newbie ship!), but it doesn't change the fact that if you're clued in to the game mechanics, there's a good chance you can avoid all but the most dedicated of gankers. Go into Low and it strips away a lot of the rules, and reduces the arse spanking of Concord's High sec response for the wrist slap of security status loss. Null and things are entirely a case of no holds barred.

But compared to Null, LS and W-space, those green, blue and yellow dots are like proverbial oasis of behaviour which is less like swimming with schools of sharks. No bubbles and no interdictors, though the occasional wardec or gankers gatecamps.

I'll admit that it would prove very interesting if players were allowed to create their own missions and PvE, but there's the matter of balance, loot drops, etc... So I'd imagine CCP would still have to OK player created content. Now what would be cool to see is the players fleshing out the mission descriptions and the lore. It could potentially even create a meta-career as PvE writers for players who have the idea of how to cobble together a mission, but not necessarily the artistic vision to flesh it out.

/Fix-fixed

He pretty much did it right.
You can ask most grand parents about it.