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Skill Points - cognitive approach - ( aka great idea )
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archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-10-19 18:51:54 UTC  |  Edited by: archon o'v
Alright so this idea will bring more subs, ISK to the economy, and revenue for CCP, and make everyone happy.

Now that I have you're attention.

CCP allow players to sell their SKILL POINTS on the market in some sort of injectors with desired quantity they wish to part with, since I'm sure there are a lot of people that don't need all the SP'S. Than buyers can inject them for their own benefit, or do anything they please.

Players than can buy skill points with ISK for their newly created characters and friends that want to invite and play EVE with.
Nice part is it all stays within EVE and its economy.
I'm sure there are players with 100 mil + SP out there that don't need so many points.

To make long story short lots of people should find this very beneficial to existing game in many aspects.
I could go on and on about but Id rather leave this up to players and devs to discuss or perhaps this was suggested in the past.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2013-10-19 19:02:40 UTC
Older players sell skillpoints to their alts... then they only apply it when the newest fit of the month comes out.... and then sell it back to their mains when another fit of the month comes out. Basically it allows for "instant training" into whatever it is you desire.

This would benefit older players FAR more than it would benefit newer ones (Malcanis' Law).

It also smacks of pay-to-win.

How did you Veterans start?
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-10-19 19:22:52 UTC
you make good point yet no one says you can do this endlessly, just like for example with attribute / remaps, you get 2 than its one a year after that

This idea can be molded in various ways with benefit to everyone.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2013-10-19 19:40:13 UTC
You bring up another problem... it makes attributes fairly pointless.

Min/max your attributes to one skill type... train up all those types of skills as max SP/hour... sell it off to your alt... and then have your alt do the same. Never again will people with multiple accounts ever have to train below 2700 SP/hr and reap the yearly benefits while those who don't have multiple accounts can never do the same.


But you do bring up a fair point. Ideas can be molded and adapted so that ill effects and problems can be minimized... however that isn't always possible with every idea as often a plethora of restrictions and arbitrary mechanics would have to be added (which has the potential to infringe on the "freedoms" of the sandbox and would cause issues for people who enjoy those other systems as they are).

How did you Veterans start?
Yolo
Unknown Nation
#5 - 2013-10-19 19:49:42 UTC
This would get exploited to hell by people starting multiple accounts and transfer skills to 1char.

- since 2003, bitches
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-10-19 22:08:41 UTC
any idea can be exploited if developed incorrectly, need to approach everything with open mind and not in a negative way
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-10-19 22:24:28 UTC
archon o'v wrote:
any idea can be exploited if developed incorrectly, need to approach everything with open mind and not in a negative way


Oh, but we will abuse it. We will twist your idea into perversions that have never graced your darkest nightmares. That is what we do. There is no way to develop something completely abuse proof, especially something we can use to farm SP so easily.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#8 - 2013-10-19 22:33:07 UTC
When you see a thread entitled "Great Idea!" you just know it's anything but.
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-10-20 01:06:16 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
When you see a thread entitled "Great Idea!" you just know it's anything but.


very constructive criticism is always welcome

try harder next time
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-10-20 01:24:35 UTC
Look guys, I wont dwell on this subject forever, this is an idea, suggestion with endless possibilities that can be molded into something really cool.

like it or hate it

if CCP considers to do something with it and takes it next level.. more power to them!, this is suggestion forum after all
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#11 - 2013-10-20 02:05:24 UTC
SP issues are one of the things that ward off newer players, and this idea would have a limited potential for abuse. If I PLEX 10 alts so I can fly a dread in two months is that any different than buying 20 plex and getting a character from the bazaar?

$$ for SP is a very divisive issue, and likely wont be expanded because of that.
It would for better or worse change the community, which might not be a bad thing since (as I'm sure you see by now) some of the community is snide and pretentious. If I were CCP I would worry about losing good people though.

+1 to you for skirting the usual $$ to SP anti-argument "WELL EVEN IF YOU BUY A CHARACTER SOMEONE TRAINED THAT SP THE HURD WAY"

Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#12 - 2013-10-20 10:28:34 UTC
archon o'v wrote:
Look guys, I wont dwell on this subject forever, this is an idea, suggestion with endless possibilities that can be molded into something really cool.


This is just another skill point respec idea and all those ideas are just plain bad. Use the search feature next time you think you've gotten a 'great' idea.

archon o'v wrote:
like it or hate it


I hate it, with a vengeance.

archon o'v wrote:
if CCP considers to do something with it and takes it next level.. more power to them!, this is suggestion forum after all


CCP has their issues but even they aren't as mad as to ever implement skill respec in EvE.

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Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
#13 - 2013-10-20 14:25:45 UTC
archon o'v wrote:
Alright so this idea will bring more subs, ISK to the economy, and revenue for CCP, and make everyone happy.

Now that I have you're attention.

CCP allow players to sell their SKILL POINTS on the market in some sort of injectors with desired quantity they wish to part with, since I'm sure there are a lot of people that don't need all the SP'S. Than buyers can inject them for their own benefit, or do anything they please.

Players than can buy skill points with ISK for their newly created characters and friends that want to invite and play EVE with.
Nice part is it all stays within EVE and its economy.
I'm sure there are players with 100 mil + SP out there that don't need so many points.

To make long story short lots of people should find this very beneficial to existing game in many aspects.
I could go on and on about but Id rather leave this up to players and devs to discuss or perhaps this was suggested in the past.


Sorry but this is a terrible idea; i have already suggested a different, BALANCED approach in my own thread i started. Give us 1 unallocated attribute point for every year of a characters age, or so (at ccp's discretion)
Ix Method
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-10-20 15:07:09 UTC
archon o'v wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
When you see a thread entitled "Great Idea!" you just know it's anything but.


very constructive criticism is always welcome

try harder next time

Why waste more words when they got it bang on?

Travelling at the speed of love.
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-10-20 17:22:22 UTC
Sable Moran wrote:
archon o'v wrote:
Look guys, I wont dwell on this subject forever, this is an idea, suggestion with endless possibilities that can be molded into something really cool.


This is just another skill point respec idea and all those ideas are just plain bad. Use the search feature next time you think you've gotten a 'great' idea.

archon o'v wrote:
like it or hate it


I hate it, with a vengeance.

archon o'v wrote:
if CCP considers to do something with it and takes it next level.. more power to them!, this is suggestion forum after all


CCP has their issues but even they aren't as mad as to ever implement skill respec in EvE.



when was last time you suggested anything thread worthy?, oh wait you didn't ..so carry on
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-10-20 17:23:54 UTC
Elvis Preslie wrote:
archon o'v wrote:
Alright so this idea will bring more subs, ISK to the economy, and revenue for CCP, and make everyone happy.

Now that I have you're attention.

CCP allow players to sell their SKILL POINTS on the market in some sort of injectors with desired quantity they wish to part with, since I'm sure there are a lot of people that don't need all the SP'S. Than buyers can inject them for their own benefit, or do anything they please.

Players than can buy skill points with ISK for their newly created characters and friends that want to invite and play EVE with.
Nice part is it all stays within EVE and its economy.
I'm sure there are players with 100 mil + SP out there that don't need so many points.

To make long story short lots of people should find this very beneficial to existing game in many aspects.
I could go on and on about but Id rather leave this up to players and devs to discuss or perhaps this was suggested in the past.


Sorry but this is a terrible idea; i have already suggested a different, BALANCED approach in my own thread i started. Give us 1 unallocated attribute point for every year of a characters age, or so (at ccp's discretion)



Elvis, your idea wasn't even your idea, you even said it was suggested before ,you just posted in your own words and got flamed ..lol
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-10-20 17:24:32 UTC
Ix Method wrote:
archon o'v wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
When you see a thread entitled "Great Idea!" you just know it's anything but.


very constructive criticism is always welcome

try harder next time

Why waste more words when they got it bang on?


if you got nothing logical to contribute don't even bother posting
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-10-20 17:51:10 UTC
No... just no.

One of the reasons people like EVE in the first place is that you need to spend time on your characters and plan their skill training. Your idea would just lead to people buying plex -> getting ISK -> buying skillpoints

If you don't have the patience / attention span to train your own skillpoints, you should probably be playing another game.

Btw, from the original post... "Alright so this idea will bring more subs, ISK to the economy, and revenue for CCP, and make everyone happy."

How would this bring more ISK to the economy and why exactly would that be a good thing...?
NiGhTTraX
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-10-20 17:52:57 UTC
archon o'v wrote:
Alright so this idea will bring more subs, ISK to the economy, and revenue for CCP, and make everyone happy.

archon o'v wrote:
like it or hate it


People start shooting down your idea, some more constructively than others. They also point out that it's been suggested before and inform you that there is a search function in the forums that you could use to find the other related threads

And then...
archon o'v wrote:
if you got nothing logical to contribute don't even bother posting


Yeah, way to go. I like your way of handling feedback.

Also...
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
When you see a thread entitled "Great Idea!" you just know it's anything but.

If you're gonna post here thinking your idea is the greatest thing since bacon and that it will save EVE and possibly all humankind with it, you're gonna have a bad time.
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-10-20 18:44:54 UTC
NiGhTTraX, I'm not saying this is the greatest idea, its great in my opinion solely on the skill point subject and it offers certain perks for the game economy / subs in general.

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