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get rid of the tier 3 bc !!!!!!!!!!!

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General Jack Cosmo
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-10-19 10:37:37 UTC
It takes away from bs roles and it makes it too easy to gank for less in high sec space !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With lord Xanex by my side I can do anything (Atleast with a smile) !!!!

Kane Fenris
NWP
#2 - 2013-10-19 10:43:06 UTC
it would be better if tornado just moves from AC/Arty to Cruise/torps this would remove highsec suicide ganking tornados and give the tempest atleast a little role (back) as Arty alpha ship of choice.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#3 - 2013-10-19 10:52:50 UTC
I have this crazy notion that OP very recently found himself on the business end of a tornado gank.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2013-10-19 11:01:29 UTC
Horribly written and argumented proposal with several exclamation marks- on normal forums, OP would receive a ban for badposting.

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Kate stark
#5 - 2013-10-19 11:04:22 UTC
you've expressed that you think it is an issue. yet you've failed to express why it's an issue, and why it needs fixing.

b-, can do better.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-10-19 11:12:16 UTC
General Jack Cosmo wrote:
It takes away from bs roles and it makes it too easy to gank for less in high sec space !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind.
Source
http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/index.php/Multiple_exclamation_marks

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#7 - 2013-10-19 11:19:54 UTC
more exclamation marks you use more your arguments get stronger. Also increase the chance to convince other forum users and CCP to listen to your requests.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#8 - 2013-10-19 11:25:21 UTC
Tier 3's are glass cannons. Only the Tornado is really good for ganking, so I imagine if you changed that out for missiles we'd see the third Jita Riots...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

General Jack Cosmo
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-10-19 12:14:12 UTC
exclamation marks are the only weapon i have in forums :)

seriously, I think it was a bad idea is ccp willing to **** off a big part of their revenue stream (miners and missioners)
by making it too easy too gank and collect the mods ect w/o a greater penalty like using battle ships instead ! bam ! bam ! bam















BTW I do have spell check I just choose to be different !!!

With lord Xanex by my side I can do anything (Atleast with a smile) !!!!

Kate stark
#10 - 2013-10-19 12:26:54 UTC
nobody is going to waste a tier 3 ganking your 20m retriever.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

dexter xio
Dead Game.
#11 - 2013-10-19 13:12:11 UTC
People use Tier 3 BC's now?

Dead Game.

Dalto Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-10-19 13:41:22 UTC
General Jack Cosmo wrote:
exclamation marks are the only weapon i have in forums :)

seriously, I think it was a bad idea is ccp willing to **** off a big part of their revenue stream (miners and missioners)
by making it too easy too gank and collect the mods ect w/o a greater penalty like using battle ships instead ! bam ! bam ! bam


BTW I do have spell check I just choose to be different !!!


I mine and run missions with my alts on a very regular basis and I have rarely had issue with ganking whether it be from Destroyers, Tier 3 BC, or anything else of that nature, but then again, I properly fit my mining ships, constant eyes on local, and typically friendly and courteous to the locals, and gankers alike. I never autopilot, and most of all, I don't use a fit worth more than the hull. When that time comes, and it has before, and myself or one of my alts, or a mate is ganked. Give the gankers a salute, and don't feed them tears, in space or in the forums. Perhaps, my friend, you are doing it wrong if the reason for your grief is because T3 BC's ganked you. I can, with near certainty, tell you that is exactly what happened. You were running Level 4 missions in a.... let me guess... CNR... and Faction Mods??

No matter, Tier 3's are here to stay, and I hope you are too. Good luck and fly safe. o7

Drops Mic

General Jack Cosmo
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-10-19 13:53:59 UTC
i know some one that lost his 2.6bil golem to tornados
but you're right on the miner gank i saw some one get blown up by a bunch of destroyers!

With lord Xanex by my side I can do anything (Atleast with a smile) !!!!

Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#14 - 2013-10-19 15:48:17 UTC
ABC's should be made T2 which would solve the cheap ganking issue nicely and would recognise that they are clearly a specialisation and would open up space for proper Attack bc's that actually use medium weapons.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#15 - 2013-10-19 16:19:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Icarus Able
So you are going to screw over the people who fly them for other purposes? If you take away Tier3s people will just use Catalysts and Arty thrashers.


And how exactly is Glass Cannon, Or Kiting a BS role?
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-10-19 16:32:05 UTC
And if they were removed or made T2, what would you do to:

The ships that exist
The blueprints that exist
The niche they fill
The fleet doctrines
The people who can fly them now (If they go T2)

How would all of the costs, in ISK, materials, time and skills be reimbursed?



Also, OP, post your lossmail.

Also also, the Talos is one of the best looking hips in EVE. if you want it removed, I will pod you. Repeatedly. Pirate
Velicitia
XS Tech
#17 - 2013-10-19 16:35:26 UTC
OP -- good news! CCP has done away with tiers, so you no longer have "Tier 3" battlecruisers to worry about!


On the other hand ... those Attack Battlecruisers can really **** up your day.

Dscan and being ATK will help you here.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Jasmine Assasin
The Holy Rollers
#18 - 2013-10-19 16:40:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jasmine Assasin
Harvey James wrote:
ABC's should be made T2 which would solve the cheap ganking issue nicely and would recognise that they are clearly a specialisation and would open up space for proper Attack bc's that actually use medium weapons.


Aside from the OP and his many exclamation points, I have to agree with this statement. T3 BCs should have been made tech II.

Added requirements:

New Racial "Advanced BC" skill I
Racial BC V
Large Laser/Hybrid/Projectile Weapon V
Weapon Upgrades V
Energy Grid Upgrades V


Although CCP makes it a point to say "If you could fly it before, you can fly it now." so I'm not sure what this would solve aside from helping prevent easily created future gank alts. But there are already more than enough anyway. Of course they could use BC V as the break, as long as you have that they will give you the "ABC I" skill "for free". Then give people say 3-6 months warning so that those that wanted to retain the ability or want to create a char w/ the ability can do it now. There are still lots of people that have BC V b/c of the Odyssey changes so I imagine now would be the best time to start in on it.

My .02 ISK anyway.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#19 - 2013-10-19 17:55:48 UTC
In its current state the Tier 3 BCs add more to the game then they take away. Also, removing them will take away more than adding. It stands to reason the wiser choice would be to leave them in. Ive been popped by nados and still support having them in. I also do not see much structure with your proposal. It is more like a rant than a solution. You wish to remove something from the game and give a reason, but no solution to compensate.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#20 - 2013-10-19 19:36:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Where is my Destroyer that can mount eight Cruiser-sized guns?

Let's add those too.
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