EVE General Discussion

If I were you I would turn it around. Offer your kind help with going through many things in EvE and let him try it out.
EvE maybe harsh but to get the gist of the game is not hard when shown by a friend.

Plus wow is for pussies...

Eve online is technically better than WOW on so many levels, the economy is better, the setting is better and the attitude to property and loss is actually much more realistic, however I am not going to say that Eve is more fun than WOW because fun is subjective and the amount of fun you derive from a game is based very much on your internal mental disposition towards it.

Comparing EVE with WOW is comparing apples and oranges. They are both fruit, they both taste great, but neither can replicate the other and neither should try too.

I personally would never play WOW as pseudo fantasy doesn't really appeal to me, I like Sci Fi though Eve is also a game that takes extended amounts of time to do well, because I don't have much time at the moment due to work pressures I also log on to Star Conflict which is a freelancer style space shooter.

It barely qualifies as an mmo, the market is crap and interaction with other players is extremely limited. It's also very heavily instanced and when you lose a ship you more or less respawn immediately into the battle and it's still in the hanger waiting for you for your next match. PVP is a blast and highly dependent on player skill as opposed to character skill in eve just like Freelancer was and the gameplay is really good. I have done much more pvp in star conflict than I ever have in eve because the loss is meaningless. In Eve I have to be careful because I've got to work to replace my stuff and that takes time. The gist of what I am saying is that lately due to time constraints star conflict has provided much more fun, but overall Eve online is more satisfying because of the deeper levels of immersion.

Starconflict pvp is just another battle, but EVE pvp is dangerous, edgy and quickens the heart rate so if you were to ask me which game could I live without, then that would be star conflict. Eve is my lifetime companion, but Star Conflict, it's fun but it's just a game, that I will probably eventually get bored off. I think from what I've read and heard about wow that the comparison is pretty much the same.

Well as you are fine with RMT. It must be because you don't care if the bottom falls out of the market.

Therefore you don't care about your in-game possessions as RMT makes them worthless.

So can I have your stuff?

The main reason I wasn't blowing things out of proportion is because I'm an intelligent person capable of rational logic and the extrapolation of incomplete data sets that doesn't jump to extraordinary conclusions or assumptions.

You failed all of that in just three lines.

Never played wow.
Never Will

That depends on how well I like you.

1. In terms of quality, Wow beats EVE into the dirt, no comparison here (the reason is that Blizzard is a financial powerhouse and this allowed them to spend like crazy on wow, whereas, EVE gimps along not even covering broken core game mechanic costs because the player base is so small).

2. in terms of pvp, you will have to get used to a much faster rate of game play, you can get away without hotkey usage in EVE because it plays so slowly but if you want to even remotely be competitive in wow pvp you better have 20 fingers and 50 hotkeys or you're dead before you even start.

3. You will probably learn to prefer the leveling model to the Skill point model if you play a lot since you can level up to max level in days rather than years.

4. i suggest a pvp server if you do play it is more like EVE in that you can be killed almost anywhere.

5. you will miss PLEX if you pay for your account this way, there is no game legal way to do this in wow.

6. the pvp between EVE and Wow follows a similar model, so much so that you can almost equate some ships in eve with classes in wow.

7. If you like the intrigue of EVE, you will miss that as wow really doesnt have anything like it.

8. You will find that the average wow forum poster is more flexible, intelligent and articulate than the idiot lot that tends to post in EVEs forums, i was absolutely stunned by this when i first started reading and posting on the EVE forums.

9. Blizzard does a much better job of balancing the needs of all of its player base than EVE does. Eve tends to strongly favor huge alliances and it seems they intend to push the game even further that direction in the future.

10. As to economies: Wow has a much better auction house, the only thing about EVE's market that i prefer is that you cannot flood the market with as many things as you like unless you start making alts to do so because of the skills that limit how many active orders you can have in EVE; whereas, in Wow you can place as many as you want.

Also, you mention burdensome restrictions on transferring assets around the various wow realms, yes this is an issue and comes with both real money costs as well as game money limits. You can beat a lot of this issue by transferring assets instead of game currency. Also, wow has a currency limit per account but again using assets you can bypass the so called 'gold cap'.

11. About the subscription differences: EVE is more hostile and this turns off a lot of players, EVE also is harder to learn how to play, mostly because the EVE dev team is inept. The EVE UI feels like it is 20 years old and this may turn off players used to more modern gaming UI's.

The EVE universe is mostly the same solar system copy and pasted 1000 times; whereas, WOW has richly unique gaming environments. All MMOs have ongoing balance issues to deal with but EVE suffers from broken core game mechanics, the only issue that WOW has that is even remotely similar is its ongoing difficulty balancing the needs of pvp vs pve game play.

12. As to EVE 'thriving' it isnt. EVE has all the parts to make a game that would attract millions regardless of its cutthroat nature but the game is so poorly managed that it doesnt have the real world currency to enrich either its pve or pvp game playing aspects, both suffer from lack of capital to even cover their basic upkeep let alone enrich either of them to any significant degree. Hence EVE "expansions" that are smaller than most 'patches' to WOW.

Imagine how much would not get done in the real world if everyone played Eve.

Why is this thread still opened ?