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New Eden and The Holy Amarr Empire

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#81 - 2013-10-18 20:42:29 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:

Imagine if, after the Mad Emperor, we simply carried on with business essentially as normal? In all our thousands of years, we haven't had many Emperors struck from the Book of Records. Clearly, we had to learn something from it.

I understand reaction to stimuli. Everything, even simple elements react to stimuli. That is not what I question. What I do question is the redaction, 'correction' and creation of historical documents. Every time, without fail, historical documents are changed or 'clarified' wholesale, it is to support those carrying out such corrections.
I had been told that the Scriptures were the revelation of the Will of God. Now you are telling me that they are changed at the whims of those in power.
I would be lying if I said I was not deeply troubled.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#82 - 2013-10-18 23:08:13 UTC
Those who dispute the publicly posted family or corp history of those of us in the New Eden Cluster seem to suffer from a derangement type of disorder that gives them the impression that they are the only ones with the right to help forge our common experience.

They are wrong. Each one of us is part of the living breathing evolving whole. Your choices make a difference. Your choices have consequences. Your choices have impact.

That is why I so adamantly implore you all to be a part of Gods plan for the New Eden cluster and the Holy Amarr Empire's leading role in forging it.

The false braggarts and the hostile trolls aside, embrace the truth of the scriptures, do not fight against your destiny.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#83 - 2013-10-19 00:06:25 UTC
Your publicly posted family history appears to be missing.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#84 - 2013-10-19 00:09:19 UTC
The will of god?

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#85 - 2013-10-19 00:40:46 UTC
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you to discover that this Pilot Filth fellow is a charlatan, a bad liar, an ignoramus and an all around poor troll! I predict that the CRC will very shortly revoke his posting privileges, hopefully on a permanent basis. That's a just reward for crapping up my appreciation thread with his crude attempt at humor.

Can I start dancing on his grave already?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#86 - 2013-10-19 05:23:01 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:

Imagine if, after the Mad Emperor, we simply carried on with business essentially as normal? In all our thousands of years, we haven't had many Emperors struck from the Book of Records. Clearly, we had to learn something from it.

I understand reaction to stimuli. Everything, even simple elements react to stimuli. That is not what I question. What I do question is the redaction, 'correction' and creation of historical documents. Every time, without fail, historical documents are changed or 'clarified' wholesale, it is to support those carrying out such corrections.
I had been told that the Scriptures were the revelation of the Will of God. Now you are telling me that they are changed at the whims of those in power.
I would be lying if I said I was not deeply troubled.


It isn't essentially to be changed by the will of those in power, otherwise the Mad Emperor would not be considered so mad. He intentionally subverted the Scriptures and changed them at will, then was brought low.

However, we, as a people, are constantly looking back over our Scriptures and looking for new pieces of the puzzle. The Scriptures are not so cut and dry, unfortunately. Anyone can read them, but it takes a whole Empire interpreting and re-interpreting to understand them. So much wisdom is contained in them that we sometimes do not realize that particular passages were meant for times thousands of years in the future to deal with situations we would have thought the authors were not familiar with.

That means evaluating the Scriptures with every new piece that comes along as a whole. God has a plan for all of us and is gently trying to push us in that direction as best he can. To do so, though, we need to be open to learning. That means not changing the Scriptures simply because we want to, but also means changing them even if it isn't particularly pleasant to hear what they say therein. The Lord, for example, must have helped us to enslave the Matari because they thought we would be excellent educators. When we proved otherwise, he made sure events aligned against us and freed them. Both acts may seem contradictory, but both are absolutely the will of God reacting to our situation. Both are teaching situations.

I would worry less about political ramifications, as those are concerns for people who don't do much reading on their own. Rather, examine the Scriptures. Millions of pieces are stowed in our various libraries and are easily perused by any citizen and even non-citizen followers of the faith. We are all relying on each other to do our part, as the lessons of God are not easily unraveled by one person alone. To further ourselves will require constant reading and evaluation with our peers.

The Moral Reforms were similar. For millenia, the Amarrians entrusted the Council of Apostles with the interpretation of the Scriptures. Obviously, that was a mistake. Now, due to the Moral Reforms, it is the duty of every citizen and follower of the faith to spend some time reading Scripture, from the Empress down to the lowest commoner. We need Amarrians from all walks of life and perspectives to keep their eyes on it and look for messages concerning upcoming events. Learning correctly means prosperity for the Empire and the furthering of our quest for ascension.

The rewards are astounding, but it will take an entire Empire a very, very long time to understand God's way completely. We also have to be ready to admit that we can be wrong and correct ourselves. God has a way of correcting us Himself when we fall too deeply into hubris.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#87 - 2013-10-19 05:27:58 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
A whole bunch of words.

I am going to start another thread for this discussion this one already has a deep discussion going on.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#88 - 2013-10-19 14:23:24 UTC
Sensational!

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 
Frencai Ayan
Alexylva Paradox
#89 - 2013-10-21 08:30:26 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Sin-sational!


If I may suggest a small edit, Kyllsa.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#90 - 2013-10-21 21:35:10 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic, in character and above all civil!

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Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#91 - 2013-10-23 18:11:53 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:


The Moral Reforms were similar. For millenia, the Amarrians entrusted the Council of Apostles with the interpretation of the Scriptures. Obviously, that was a mistake. Now, due to the Moral Reforms, it is the duty of every citizen and follower of the faith to spend some time reading Scripture, from the Empress down to the lowest commoner. We need Amarrians from all walks of life and perspectives to keep their eyes on it and look for messages concerning upcoming events. Learning correctly means prosperity for the Empire and the furthering of our quest for ascension.

The rewards are astounding, but it will take an entire Empire a very, very long time to understand God's way completely. We also have to be ready to admit that we can be wrong and correct ourselves. God has a way of correcting us Himself when we fall too deeply into hubris.
So is it your position that the Amarr Empire was mistakenly directed for a millennia? Or did I not understand your above statement as you intended?

Is your hypothesis that every believer has both the right and the duty to correct what they discover to be wrong and because of the Moral Reforms they need not wait for official blessings to proceed?

Would you say that the Moral Reforms were not politically inspired at all? I am of the belief that they were primarily political, and history seems to support that conclusion. Could you point me to some religious text or scriptures that were approved under the Council Of Apostles that is no longer deemed correct by the Theology Council after they were empowered by the Moral Reforms?

The past of the Holy Amarr Empire is intertwined with political and religious efforts working sometimes wrestling with each other to enact God's will, I think it an over simplification to credit one element without recognizing the almost equal presence of the other.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Nachshon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-11-10 20:43:12 UTC
Well, if that's the choice, then I'll side with the capsuleers. Maybe we could call ourselves the Immortal Empire.

Caldari by birth, Minmatar by choice. Give me the word, and I'll bring down the sky.
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#93 - 2013-11-10 22:06:27 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Nullsec capsuleers never die and never lose the will to fight. The only thing that limits us is resources, which we have quite a lot of.

It would be too costly for the four empires to put up a united front and try to get rid of us. It simply cannot be done. We are masters of diplomacy. While there are are a lot of divides, a temporary alliance between the major coalitions to hold you back shouldn't be too difficult to form.

Sure, we fight each other more than the big four do. But the big four are essentially either trying to completely annihilate each other or prevent themselves from being annihilated. Out here, it's mostly about resources. Hand them over, or be destroyed. Either way there are no hard feelings. Capsuleers can often find themselves siding with the people they were trying to kill just a few years earlier.

But before you deal with us, you're going to have to deal with CONCORD, who are obscenely powerful to the point of ridiculousness. They regularly smite capsuleer law breakers in mere seconds. I'd like to see any faction try to destroy them.

Just like a Nullsecer to forget who makes their food and builds their weapons of war.

Cut you off from the Trade Hubs, and you wither to a fraction of your current size. Your resources dry up, your starbases run out of fuel, your people starve, your banks dwindle and your guns fall silent due to lack of ammo.

Were the Empires to wage war on you, it would be a war of attrition. Simply lock the borders until you can't pose enough of a threat any longer. Sure, supplies would no doubt trickle out of Empire space; no interdiction is complete. In the end it would come down to a matter of time; and we have that time.