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Dev Blog: No Honor Among Thieves - Siphon Units in Rubicon

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#961 - 2013-10-18 23:44:59 UTC
Miner Hottie wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Miner Hottie wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Miner Hottie wrote:
Expressing my understanding of your point and position. Don't agree with it, but eh, CCP is determined to ignore us and implement this and then they will nerf it to oblivion once goons complete the cycle of deliberate abuse that has started now that they have warned CCP about it being OP.

Oh you noticed the cycle ...

Still working on drone assist, it appears they are PERFECTLY BALANCED and cannot be abused


I didn't imply with this comment that CCP were in any way shape or form, on the ball in dealing with the "Goon Broken Feature Cycle of Abuse"

If they were the features wouldn' be released in an abuseably broken manner.

But they aren't, and thus we can have fun.


GOON TEARRSSSSSSSSS

Just you like you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink, you can tell a CCP Dev that they have ****** up, but you won't make them budget for the time needed to fix the problem in the next patch round.

Supposedly you can feed the horse salt, but in such cases it's more like rubbing salt on the wound

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Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#962 - 2013-10-18 23:47:51 UTC
Southern Kros wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
Southern Kros wrote:
Sure looks like goons issued a CTA to this dev blog.

Maybe they don't like the idea that their precious AFK moon mining will actually require them to stop ratting and get off their arse to manage them.

Who needs a CTA when, the major function of this thread is to point and laugh. I mean dumb pubbies whos mating call seems to be " Goon tears" and CCP rolling out a hilariously bad game mechanic, all that is left is for us to wait for a few months while the T2 market sharts it's jorts, who could resist.

Actually, it's always the same dozen or so goons. There's a reason for that...


You telling me only a dozen or so goons can read / write?


Please tell me that pretending to be a functional illiterate while calling other people dumb is a gimmick you've come up with and you're going to do some kind of hilarious reveal soon.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#963 - 2013-10-18 23:49:31 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Southern Kros wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
Southern Kros wrote:
Sure looks like goons issued a CTA to this dev blog.

Maybe they don't like the idea that their precious AFK moon mining will actually require them to stop ratting and get off their arse to manage them.

Who needs a CTA when, the major function of this thread is to point and laugh. I mean dumb pubbies whos mating call seems to be " Goon tears" and CCP rolling out a hilariously bad game mechanic, all that is left is for us to wait for a few months while the T2 market sharts it's jorts, who could resist.

Actually, it's always the same dozen or so goons. There's a reason for that...


You telling me only a dozen or so goons can read / write?


Please tell me that pretending to be a functional illiterate while calling other people dumb is a gimmick you've come up with and you're going to do some kind of hilarious reveal soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dPaVk4G1jg

no honor among goons

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#964 - 2013-10-18 23:51:20 UTC
Southern Kros wrote:
Sure looks like goons issued a CTA to this dev blog.

Maybe they don't like the idea that their precious AFK moon mining will actually require them to stop ratting and get off their arse to manage them.


You haven't thought it through. The goons have made no secret of their disdain for these forums. If they did get their members to fully engage on any issue of importance the claims of tears would be irrefutable and actually justifiable (unlike now). And it would be hilarious.

So after the goons with authority have posted the ones left behind clearly have nothing better to do.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Miner Hottie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#965 - 2013-10-18 23:52:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Supposedly you can feed the horse salt, but in such cases it's more like rubbing salt on the wound


Funnily enough, in the 8th to 14th centuries salt was nearly as valuable as gold throughout Europe due to the fact that it was a limited resource which when fed to stock increased the animals size, the animals couldn't get enough salt from the land, hence it was mined in what is now Switzerland and traded down the Rhine an Danube rivers.

It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#966 - 2013-10-18 23:53:30 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Southern Kros wrote:
Sure looks like goons issued a CTA to this dev blog.

Maybe they don't like the idea that their precious AFK moon mining will actually require them to stop ratting and get off their arse to manage them.

You haven't thought it through. The goons have made no secret of their disdain for these forums. If they did get their members to fully engage on any issue of importance the claims of tears would be irrefutable and actually justifiable (unlike now). And it would be hilarious.

So after the goons with authority have posted the ones left behind clearly have nothing better to do.

Actually, to be quite honest, there was no related broadcast. It was just us discussing this thing on our evil out-of-game communication software that somehow led us all to come a-postin'

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#967 - 2013-10-18 23:59:09 UTC
Miner Hottie wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Supposedly you can feed the horse salt, but in such cases it's more like rubbing salt on the wound


Funnily enough, in the 8th to 14th centuries salt was nearly as valuable as gold throughout Europe due to the fact that it was a limited resource which when fed to stock increased the animals size, the animals couldn't get enough salt from the land, hence it was mined in what is now Switzerland and traded down the Rhine an Danube rivers.

Yeah, livestock need to get minerals and so on, usually delivered in what is called a mineral lick. Salt and other things are very important for growth and health.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Miner Hottie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#968 - 2013-10-19 00:12:01 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Miner Hottie wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Supposedly you can feed the horse salt, but in such cases it's more like rubbing salt on the wound


Funnily enough, in the 8th to 14th centuries salt was nearly as valuable as gold throughout Europe due to the fact that it was a limited resource which when fed to stock increased the animals size, the animals couldn't get enough salt from the land, hence it was mined in what is now Switzerland and traded down the Rhine an Danube rivers.

Yeah, livestock need to get minerals and so on, usually delivered in what is called a mineral lick. Salt and other things are very important for growth and health.


Not really relevant to these discussions, but fascinating history for sure.

It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#969 - 2013-10-19 00:41:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganthrithor
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Ganthrithor wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Ganthrithor wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Or, actually live in the space where you are holding POSs and have patrols doing their jobs.


Yeah, that will be tons of fun. Everyone fleet up for the "go warp to all the moons in our region to look for anchorable structures" fleet!

Won't that be fun? I'm gonna go sub another six accounts right now because this just sounds so interesting and ~*emergent*~...

There is only one good thing about this terrible expansion and it's the warp speed changes... literally the only good thing that's happened to EVE online in the last two years.

tl;dr: Get your head examined, friend.


D-scan. And if you don't have your people in your region occupying your space, what is the point in you having your space when someone else could obviously make better use of it?

The problem with nullsec is the sprawling empires of uninhabited space, and this is a solution to that.


Except that nobody's going to give up their space because you evaporated 12% of their moongoo and maybe stole a little more for yourself. I'll repeat that, because I don't think you get it: nobody is going roll over and give away their space to some hypothetical small, up-and-coming player group. It's not going to happen. All siphons are going to do is irritate people and drive up the price of moon goo. They aren't going to provide any fun gameplay for anyone (the "griefer" gets all the enjoyment of dropping something out of their cargo hold, while the successful "defender" gets all the excitement of finding an abandoned structure and then blowing it up unopposed) and they're not going to affect the sov landscape, so they're essentially pointless detractors from EVE Online: A Decaying Spaceship Game.

Flying around through space full of blues to look for abandoned structures is boring, whether it's using probes, d-scan, or the Mk 1 Eyeball. This "feature" is a stupid idea and a waste of development time / our money.


If you don't wish to surrender your moon goo profits then you can check for siphons. It's not that hard, you see, there is this wonderful thing called "D-Scan" and "Probes" that help you find them, and a POS mod called a "gun" that will destroy them.

ಠ_ಠ

There shouldn't be an almost unchallenged passive income, now there isn't.


You are dumb. There is already a mechanic for contesting passive moon income: it's called reinforce the POS. It eliminates 100% of the moon mining for the duration of the reinforcement timer. Even if you can't compete with the hostile fleet in order to KILL the tower, you can still cruise around reinforcing stuff in some empty timezone. If you don't have the resources to reinforce a POS then you have no business posing as a nullsec entity in the first place: go roaming and enjoy yourself.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#970 - 2013-10-19 00:49:38 UTC
Miner Hottie wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Miner Hottie wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Supposedly you can feed the horse salt, but in such cases it's more like rubbing salt on the wound


Funnily enough, in the 8th to 14th centuries salt was nearly as valuable as gold throughout Europe due to the fact that it was a limited resource which when fed to stock increased the animals size, the animals couldn't get enough salt from the land, hence it was mined in what is now Switzerland and traded down the Rhine an Danube rivers.

Yeah, livestock need to get minerals and so on, usually delivered in what is called a mineral lick. Salt and other things are very important for growth and health.


Not really relevant to these discussions, but fascinating history for sure.

It is relevant, Highsec pubbies think that they are going to lick our salt, but we will rub it into their wounds instead.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#971 - 2013-10-19 00:52:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganthrithor
Miner Hottie wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Supposedly you can feed the horse salt, but in such cases it's more like rubbing salt on the wound


Funnily enough, in the 8th to 14th centuries salt was nearly as valuable as gold throughout Europe due to the fact that it was a limited resource which when fed to stock increased the animals size, the animals couldn't get enough salt from the land, hence it was mined in what is now Switzerland and traded down the Rhine an Danube rivers.


This has been today's edition of Salt Facts! Check back every day for a new Salt Fact!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#972 - 2013-10-19 00:52:52 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Miner Hottie wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Miner Hottie wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Supposedly you can feed the horse salt, but in such cases it's more like rubbing salt on the wound


Funnily enough, in the 8th to 14th centuries salt was nearly as valuable as gold throughout Europe due to the fact that it was a limited resource which when fed to stock increased the animals size, the animals couldn't get enough salt from the land, hence it was mined in what is now Switzerland and traded down the Rhine an Danube rivers.

Yeah, livestock need to get minerals and so on, usually delivered in what is called a mineral lick. Salt and other things are very important for growth and health.


Not really relevant to these discussions, but fascinating history for sure.

It is relevant, Highsec pubbies think that they are going to lick our salt, but we will rub it into their wounds instead.

lick our "salt"

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#973 - 2013-10-19 00:53:10 UTC
Our salt-containing tears, that is.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Miner Hottie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#974 - 2013-10-19 00:55:17 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Our salt-containing tears, that is.


I completely forgot that tears are salty, so not only do pubbie tears nourish the soul, they also feed the body. Totally relevant. My mistake.

It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#975 - 2013-10-19 00:58:17 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Zappity wrote:

So after the goons with authority have posted the ones left behind clearly have nothing better to do.

Actually, to be quite honest, there was no related broadcast. It was just us discussing this thing on our evil out-of-game communication software that somehow led us all to come a-postin'


Never not post. Posting is what we do. It's like pooping, only it's all over these dumb Eve forums.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#976 - 2013-10-19 01:25:13 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
The question I have is, why does the most successful fight generator out there with probably the most fair mechanics have to be modified?

AHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAAAAAAHAHAhahaahha
HAHAHAHHAAAAHHAAAHAHAahahahahha...
*gasp*
*wheeze*
Oh man....that was good....

Yeah no, it was such a good mechanic it was listed as one of the most problematic aspects of eve in more CSM minutes and notes than I would care to count for years on end.

It was so fair and balanced that it had to be nerfed repeatedly, and entire new mechanics (alchemy) had to be created around it.

Nice try, and enjoy the new competition. Twisted

POS RF mechanic is so unfair. Sad
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#977 - 2013-10-19 01:27:50 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
The question I have is, why does the most successful fight generator out there with probably the most fair mechanics have to be modified?

AHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAAAAAAHAHAhahaahha
HAHAHAHHAAAAHHAAAHAHAahahahahha...
*gasp*
*wheeze*
Oh man....that was good....

Yeah no, it was such a good mechanic it was listed as one of the most problematic aspects of eve in more CSM minutes and notes than I would care to count for years on end.

It was so fair and balanced that it had to be nerfed repeatedly, and entire new mechanics (alchemy) had to be created around it.

Nice try, and enjoy the new competition. Twisted

POS RF mechanic is so unfair. Sad

Show me on the doll where you think the mean siphon will touch you.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#978 - 2013-10-19 01:50:11 UTC
I'm looking forward to the hilarious about face half the posters in this thread do when CCP announces the planetary version of this. No more passive income without PvP, right? twisted twisted twisted
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#979 - 2013-10-19 01:55:08 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I'm looking forward to the hilarious about face half the posters in this thread do when CCP announces the planetary version of this. No more passive income without PvP, right? twisted twisted twisted


I thought they already did? As in, the highsec pocos, and such?

You can bet I'll be setting mine up to about 5% higher than the NPCs did, by the way. Just high enough to make them mad about having to pay it, just low enough that they won't muster up a wardec to shoot it.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#980 - 2013-10-19 02:51:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I'm looking forward to the hilarious about face half the posters in this thread do when CCP announces the planetary version of this. No more passive income without PvP, right? twisted twisted twisted


I thought they already did? As in, the highsec pocos, and such?

You can bet I'll be setting mine up to about 5% higher than the NPCs did, by the way. Just high enough to make them mad about having to pay it, just low enough that they won't muster up a wardec to shoot it.

No, the idea is to siphon, Shooting your poco is like shooting the pos.

Clearly a module that takes away poco income and feeds the isk into your wallet is the way to go

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?