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YES YOU CAN HAVE MY STUFF / DNSBLACK LOOKING FOR GTC SELLER

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#141 - 2013-10-18 13:51:32 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
By converting isk to $ you have just committed RMT..

At no point does Somerblink which thread is aimed at, covert RL Money to Isk or isk to RL Money

They give blink credits in turn for you using their referral scheme.

Now some people will say you can use that credit to guarantee a win and then converting that to isk by blinking on all slots on a ship, however that isn't as easy as it sounds as chances are somebody will place a blink on that ship so your chance of success whilst high isn't 100%.

So you still need a method of attracting people to your site and to use your referral service without offering them isk.

Like the example I gave, on a lottery site you would give x number of tickets in return.

So those using your referral might have a higher chance of winning said lottery due to them having more tickets. but it isn't 100% guaranteed.

Bull!
Credits are as good as isk. Not to mention they can only offer "credit" by having the isk to back it up.
Also 80% of the credit WILL be able to be converted into isk. It may not be by the buyer, but 80% of the credit value will en up as winnings.
What you have here is a technicality they are using the launder isk into cash, nothing more.
To do the same, the only thing you'd need to do is offer "tickets" not isk, then allow you to buy a whole lottery for 100% of the winnings. Slapping the word "game" on it would make it as valid as Somer.



Whether its a technicality is irrelevant. The fact is there is no guarantee that isk that is given as credit will results in a winning a prize and then converted to isk.

I know because I play Somerblink. You have said many times yourself you do not.

80% of the credit will turn into ISK which can be redeemed in game spend on more tickets. FACT. That's RMT.
Just because you might do it badly and have it end up as someone else's isk doesn't change that its isk being given away for cash.

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Clolo
Perkone
Caldari State
#142 - 2013-10-18 14:17:18 UTC
Black when the new game you're going to play, will you be using the existing DNS comms while you play it?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#143 - 2013-10-18 14:51:16 UTC
I heartily endorse this event or product.

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DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#144 - 2013-10-18 15:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: DNSBLACK
MyEveLotto wrote:
I think I now have found an expansion to make on my website.

myEVElotto will permit you to sell your characters and/or assets through our system. To purchase tickets for your character/asset lottery, one can send money via PayPal to a designated account. The system then selects a random winner (from those who purchased MELtickets) and that person wins the prize.

If you need a lottery front to legitimize your RMT CCP-authorized character lottery, please contact myEVElotto for pricing and terms. We will act as the "third party" that every legit CCP-authorized RMT scheme lottery requires.


Stop stealing my ideas dammit. Wait one second what am I saying. YOU GO GIRL. I LOVE IT
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#145 - 2013-10-18 15:27:17 UTC  |  Edited by: DNSBLACK
At the rate my Paypal account is growing; I won't need CCP to give me trips to Iceland to BLack Blink off I can pay for it myself and then give it away .

They should be excited cause GTC sales for them will go thru the roof and the didn't have to pay for the trip. Winning
Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#146 - 2013-10-18 15:28:35 UTC
Giving you a like, OP.

So your characters value will go up a bit.
MyEveLotto
Doomheim
#147 - 2013-10-18 15:48:03 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
Stop stealing my ideas dammit. Wait one second what am I saying. YOU GO GIRL. I LOVE IT


What do you care? You're quitting the game anyway. Blink

Besides, corporate espionage is what makes the world go 'round. How could you possibly object to it?

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DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#148 - 2013-10-18 15:51:57 UTC
MyEveLotto wrote:
DNSBLACK wrote:
Stop stealing my ideas dammit. Wait one second what am I saying. YOU GO GIRL. I LOVE IT


What do you care? You're quitting the game anyway. Blink

Besides, corporate espionage is what makes the world go 'round. How could you possibly object to it?


You missed my point. Iam excited for you.
MyEveLotto
Doomheim
#149 - 2013-10-18 15:56:48 UTC
Yes. I am aware.

Damn you internet and your inability to properly convey sarcasm/humor through winky faces!

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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#150 - 2013-10-18 16:35:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
I don't know if this has been posted already,̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶r̶a̶c̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶B̶l̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶C̶r̶e̶d̶i̶t̶. You are a̶l̶s̶o̶ not allowed to sell characters via a lottery.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369&find=unread

Lottery style sales are not permitted. Auctions and buyouts are the appropriate method for selling a character.

Edit: Crossed out something I got wrong.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2013-10-18 16:44:34 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
I don't know if this has been posted already, but your character is not Blink Credit. You are also not allowed to sell characters via a lottery.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369&find=unread

Lottery style sales are not permitted. Auctions and buyouts are the appropriate method for selling a character.



He is selling GTCs, I'm sure when he said he would sell his character through the bazaar it would be done properly.

For instance, I can sell my character for 1 isk. I can also choose who pays me for it.

This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#152 - 2013-10-18 16:48:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Murk Paradox wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
I don't know if this has been posted already, but your character is not Blink Credit. You are also not allowed to sell characters via a lottery.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369&find=unread

Lottery style sales are not permitted. Auctions and buyouts are the appropriate method for selling a character.



He is selling GTCs, I'm sure when he said he would sell his character through the bazaar it would be done properly.

For instance, I can sell my character for 1 isk. I can also choose who pays me for it.


DNSBLACK wrote:

3. I will also would like to offer my character to raffle once all my assets are gone. We will follow all CCP rules for transfer once the raffle is over.

5. This practice has been ok'd and does not break the EULA according to CCP.


Does that count as impersonating CCP too?

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Frying Doom
#153 - 2013-10-18 16:53:19 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
I don't know if this has been posted already, but your character is not Blink Credit. You are also not allowed to sell characters via a lottery.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369&find=unread

Lottery style sales are not permitted. Auctions and buyouts are the appropriate method for selling a character.

Once again that is a forum rule, you might try posting the relevant EULA section on character transfers.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#154 - 2013-10-18 16:54:20 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
I don't know if this has been posted already, but your character is not Blink Credit. You are also not allowed to sell characters via a lottery.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369&find=unread

Lottery style sales are not permitted. Auctions and buyouts are the appropriate method for selling a character.



He is selling GTCs, I'm sure when he said he would sell his character through the bazaar it would be done properly.

For instance, I can sell my character for 1 isk. I can also choose who pays me for it.


DNSBLACK wrote:

3. I will also would like to offer my character to raffle once all my assets are gone. We will follow all CCP rules for transfer once the raffle is over.

5. This practice has been ok'd and does not break the EULA according to CCP.


Does that count as impersonating CCP too?

Please specify where his name is CCP anyone?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#155 - 2013-10-18 16:55:29 UTC  |  Edited by: DNSBLACK
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
I don't know if this has been posted already, but your character is not Blink Credit. You are also not allowed to sell characters via a lottery.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369&find=unread

Lottery style sales are not permitted. Auctions and buyouts are the appropriate method for selling a character.



He is selling GTCs, I'm sure when he said he would sell his character through the bazaar it would be done properly.

For instance, I can sell my character for 1 isk. I can also choose who pays me for it.


DNSBLACK wrote:

3. I will also would like to offer my character to raffle once all my assets are gone. We will follow all CCP rules for transfer once the raffle is over.

5. This practice has been ok'd and does not break the EULA according to CCP.


Does that count as impersonating CCP too?


These are all grey areas now. Also if you look at the title of this post; Iam looking for a third party GTC seller backing. I am sure we will find the grey area in the word raffle together.
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#156 - 2013-10-18 17:02:17 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
I don't know if this has been posted already, but your character is not Blink Credit. You are also not allowed to sell characters via a lottery.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369&find=unread

Lottery style sales are not permitted. Auctions and buyouts are the appropriate method for selling a character.



He is selling GTCs, I'm sure when he said he would sell his character through the bazaar it would be done properly.

For instance, I can sell my character for 1 isk. I can also choose who pays me for it.


DNSBLACK wrote:

3. I will also would like to offer my character to raffle once all my assets are gone. We will follow all CCP rules for transfer once the raffle is over.

5. This practice has been ok'd and does not break the EULA according to CCP.


Does that count as impersonating CCP too?


These are all grey areas now. Also if you look at the title of this post; Iam looking for a third party GTC seller backing. I am sure we will find the grey area in the word raffle together.
damnit man, if you don't stop posting, i can't stop liking your comments!
CCP Dolan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#157 - 2013-10-18 17:21:02 UTC
Greetings,

Any form of ETC trading outside of the CCP created system is not permitted or supported by CCP. We are currently investigating if the sort of ETC resale (resale by an unauthorized reseller) is permitted. We appreciate your patience while we investigate this matter.

CCP Dolan | Community Representative

Twitter: @CCPDolan

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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#158 - 2013-10-18 17:25:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Money Makin Mitch
CCP Dolan wrote:
Greetings,

Any form of ETC trading outside of the CCP created system is not permitted or supported by CCP. We are currently investigating if the sort of ETC resale (resale by an unauthorized reseller) is permitted. We appreciate your patience while we investigate this matter.

o/ Dolan

I'm curious, does this mean his scheme is acceptable so long as the ETC goes through a reseller? and how do affiliate sales fit into this? and what of the issue of offering 'bonus credits', I noticed you didn't address that at all? We would greatly appreciate some clarification.

Thanks!

/m^3
Jennimar
Raytheon Intergalactic Research
Fall From Grace.
#159 - 2013-10-18 17:26:35 UTC
Translation to CCP Response---

Everyone,

Please stop being so intelligent as to find loopholes in our rules. Why can't you all just be good little gamers like the guys over at WOW....just play the game quietly, and stop making trouble. Please understand.....only WE can do as we please...as we are the rule makers/breakers.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#160 - 2013-10-18 17:34:18 UTC
Jennimar wrote:
Translation to CCP Response---

Everyone,

Please stop being so intelligent as to find loopholes in our rules. Why can't you all just be good little gamers like the guys over at WOW....just play the game quietly, and stop making trouble. Please understand.....only WE can do as we please...as we are the rule makers/breakers.



Pretty close yes.

In essence it doesn't matter what loophole you think you've found, if CCP doesn't like it (and they won't) they can close it at any time... and if you're making personal income from the selling of their intellectual property (GTC's, characters, or raffles to achieve the same end) I'd say it's probably a good thing you were planning to be gone anyway. Blink

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