EVE New Citizens Q&A

I figured I should ask this here, even though I'm not really a noob.

I usually mine Veldspar (Bulk sell) or Pyroxeres (Melt for Nocxium); amidoinitrite?

Perhaps try asking in science and industry or market discussions. I've only mined for a grand total of 2 hours, maybe 2 and a half, hardly an expert.

Pyroxeres is the more profitable ore at this point in time, not sure why you'd consider Veldspar at all apart from plentiful availability.

Do yourself a favour, log on to Singularity and check out the blueprints for the new tier 3 battlecruisers. Contrast them to the existing battlecruisers and battleships to get some idea of the proportions of minerals required. The minerals which are needed in higher proportions to make the new battlecruisers are the ones you should start stockpiling now in order to make a huge profit in the 24 hours after the expansion is released.

There is no such thing as best hi-sec ore.

This because of only 1 reason, the market is player driven. So anything that is in demand now can be oversupplied the next day and visa versa.

J'P

For those reading this that don't understand why you don't just mine the ore that has the best price per unit - different ores take different amounts of time to mine to get the same number of units, have different minimum amounts of ore to refine, come in different asteroid sizes and have different availability.


Mining Lasers and Strip Miners mine by the cubic meter - but ore/minerals sell by the unit. Each ore/mineral has a ratio of cubic meter to unit. The ones with the lower ratios (Veldspar for example) are the easiest to mine.

Thus - while one ore might yield minerals that sell for a higher price for unit - you might be able to make more money with an ore you can mine more of in a given amount of time.



Prices change on this all the time - thus the price check sites.

Thus, some things you might take into consideration when deciding what to mine:

1) How long does it take to mine a given ore to get the same amount of money?

2) How many units am I going have left over on average per refine (this is a minor consideration that only matters over a very extended amount of time)?

3) How often am I going to have to switch targets as my asteroids deplete for an ore that I'm finding in smaller asteroids vs. that found in bigger ones? An ore scanner and knowledge of how much you mine in m3 here would give you an idea.

4) How much time am I going to have to spend moving to and from the location of a more valuable ore in order to bring it back to my station to refine it? Here - having a station with a 50% base refine that you have good standings with really helps. Don't use stations with 30% base refines unless you've got some other over riding reason for using them.

5) How far am I going to have transport my ore/minerals to sell it at that really good price - and what could i be doing instead during that time (the infamous opportunity cost ...)?



Now ... if you've got yourself set up to manage the above questions and enjoy the process of figuring out which ore is going to get you the best price at the moment - that's cool. You will make more money than those who just shrug and mine Veldspar. For those who don't want to go to all that trouble - just shrug and mine Veldspar ...

*shrug*

Now - why Veldspar? Because it is the easiest to mine, usually comes in the bigger asteroid sizes, is every where and most ship hulls are made with lots of Tritanium - and Veldspar yields nothing but Tritanium.

Thus - if you do know which ore will give you the best price for the amount of time and effort you put into mining it - then mine that. If you don't know - Veldspar is a safe bet. It may not be the best choice - but it won't be a bad choice ... probably ...



Of course - all of the above is based on the assumption that you are mining to sell your ore - rather than use it yourself to build something. If you're going to use it yourself - then the best choice to mine - would be the things that are going to give you the minerals you need to build what you want. Now - here again - the really clever people are going to tell you that what you should do - is whatever it is that makes you the most money - then just buy what you want. For some industrialists - they are making enough off their products - that what is most valuable to them - is their playing time. For them, it is better to concentrate their playing time on running their business - and let someone else do the drudge work of mining ore. But then ... if you don't have a big successful business to run ... then you may be better off mining things yourself - drudge work or no.



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in 6 days mining barges and exumers will be a rare site in empire now ccp are making ganking even easier. just watch out for the destroyers lol

1) What's happening with the new release that is going to wipe miners from the heavens? How could it be worse than Hulkaggeddon - which many miners didn't even notice?

2) EVE is NOT a PVP game. EVE is primarily a PVE game. Most of the people playing EVE are Hi Sec Mission Runners ... just like in most MMO's, they just call them "Quests" else where. If you don't believe me ... look at the map. Set your filters to show Pilots in Space - and look at where all the orange blobs are. Most of them are in Hi Sec - and they're running Missions.

3) Yes - you can be ganked at any time. Absolutely - and gankers like to blow up miners - they even have an event where they give out prizes for the those who can gank the most. The thing is - the number of gankers is limited by the number of people who like to do that - and most people playing EVE are not gankers - they are Mission Runners. If everyone in EVE but the miners were gankers - there already wouldn't be any miners.

4) EVE has been described as a game made by pirates - for pirates - with everyone else just there to provide victims. It just happens that the "other EVE" which most of the players actually play - is a good game. Which is fortunate for the gankers as Prey animals need large numbers of Herd animals - or they turn on each other. It's just natures way. Of course - gankers are more than happy to gank each other too ... it's just a little harder.

5) Why Mine - as opposed to say ... Incursions? Here's why.. (I knew I'd get to use that link some day).

6) Now ... boring? As opposed to what? Running the same missions over and over and over and over and over ... Jumping through some snarky NPC's hoops? "Fetch Salve for my Sister!" "Kill this heretic!" "Blow up the people who don't recognize my brilliance!" "Go Here!" "Go There!" "Kill these 'pirates!" "Kill more 'pirates!" Kill Still more 'pirates'!" Personally ... though I do it myself to raise standings ... I can't think of anything more boring. As a miner - you control what you do. Not some snarky NPC.



*shrug*

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EVE *IS* primarily a PvP game - even the carebeariest carebears engage in PvP daily - mostly because of the market. Everytime you buy an item off of the market, someone "wins" and someone "loses". This is what makes EVE different from all other MMOs - everything is interconnected by the players.

With the recently removed insurance from CONCORD, the economical ganking is going to go down a tad. Also, the first month or so the T3 BCs are going to be stupidly overpriced, thus not used for spite-ganking, when the new destroyers can do it so much better.