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Dev Blog: Multiple Character Training

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Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-10-18 14:31:29 UTC
A plex per char, yes. This would amount to 3 plexes, if you do not pay your subscription otherwise.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#22 - 2013-10-18 15:12:12 UTC
This means that a lot of people use it.

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Citizen of Solitude
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-10-18 15:14:40 UTC
Will we ever get the ability to log in more than one character on the same account at once (for PLEX)?
Reginald Zebranky
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-10-18 15:14:51 UTC
Wow, does CCP Xhagen have special training in obfuscation?
Is there a special school you go to for that?

I like this new feature improvement; good job.
It is pretty easy to understand despite Xhagen's best efforts.
CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp
#25 - 2013-10-18 15:15:31 UTC
Lair Osen wrote:
"And come to think of it, I use another PLEX to extend the option to 60 days"
Is this a new thing being changed from the current: only add time in the last 7 days option? Can we get more info about that?


Yes, this is new. You can now stack time as far into the future as you like. So you could pay 2 PLEX, to get Dual Character Training for 60 days, or 4 PLEX for 120 days.

Or 4 PLEX, to get 3 Training Queues going for 60 days (Your Main, Second Queue and Third Queue).

Miss Teri wrote:
Another nice thing you could add would be the ability to stop training.

That is, right now when you try to activate a skill queue and one of the other chars are training, you get the "Buy plex for dual training" dialog. It would be nice if one of the choices were "Pause training on other char". That way you wouldn't have to log out, log into alt, log out, log back in the other alt, start training.


Agreed that this would be great. Not sure if we have time, but I'll raise this with the team, see how it meshes with current plans.

Tippia wrote:
Well, that was inevitable, wasn't it? P


On a serious note, now that people will have yet another time-limited skill queue (per account) to keep track of, are you going to implement some clearer way to display exactly how much time is left on each multiple training payment? Yes, players could set calendar events and alerts, but it seems a bit silly that it isn't simply displayed on the account management page.

After all, the system already knows when the end-date is — it couldn't refuse renewals before the last 7 days if it didn't. So why not expose that data to the account holder?


We have tentative plans for some UI/UX work on the MCT. We are aware that the UX could use some love and have a few areas in the game we'd like to improve this.

So let me say, Yes we want to show how much time is left everywhere it makes sense.

When? Might be a bit later than we had hoped, but we'll certainly make an effort to get it out there.


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Luc Chastot
#26 - 2013-10-18 15:31:09 UTC
Good to see we got at least a good thing with Odyssey and now it's being improved upon.

Let's hope Rubicon gets on top and releases 2 good things; so far we have 1.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#27 - 2013-10-18 15:33:09 UTC
I've used dual training on a few accounts now. It's an excellent feature.

That said, I do agree with previous comments that 30 days is a bit of an under-sell. I would like to see 45 days per activation. I'm already paying for the account, and I can only play one toon at once. It seems a bit pricey for what's given for extended use.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#28 - 2013-10-18 16:21:36 UTC
Why don't you just go all out and let us have more than 3 characters per account and simply let us log in to as many of them as we have active skill queues? I wouldn't mind having one account with say 5 characters out of which 3 are skilling and can be logged in to. Would mean I only had to remember one login.

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Walley Wallington
Ordo Templis Nuit
#29 - 2013-10-18 16:42:05 UTC
hmm, am I wrong? or is it not cheaper (at least for the first 3 months) to just create an alt account?
and if I pay for it strictly with plex, I may as well do it on a 2nd account that I can play along side my main instead of the limitations of a 2nd char on the same account since there is no savings involved.
Duser
GO' R0V
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2013-10-18 16:43:41 UTC
Is it time to make som changes to the skil point system.
It is old. And the system is not friendly to new players. That love spaceships game.
In 2003 the skillpoints system was new and intresting. Now it is old and slow for new players.

In my opinion if you want new players in the game. Do somthing with the skillpoints system.

Duser.

TL;DR skillsystem is obsolete
Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-10-18 16:51:48 UTC
Walley Wallington wrote:
hmm, am I wrong? or is it not cheaper (at least for the first 3 months) to just create an alt account?
and if I pay for it strictly with plex, I may as well do it on a 2nd account that I can play along side my main instead of the limitations of a 2nd char on the same account since there is no savings involved.



Only wrong if you just want two alt with 2 month of training each and do not ever want to log in at the same time as the main. This CAN happen.

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Flatiner
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-10-18 17:27:53 UTC
Good dev blog, and I know some of my corp mates use this feature but the problem I see with this is the fact that you might get 3 main toons but can only log one in at a time and if you decide to "move" the toon to its own account you have to pay a fee for that as well, so why not just make second, third accounts?..

Not to mention why do people still buy plex in game? It makes more sense to pay the isk and buy a GTC (Game Time Code - can be found on the game time code bazaar on the forums and is secure!) and convert it into plex or apply it to your account directly (you would get two plex for 1x 60 - day Game Time code (34.99 if purchased from an eve affiliate such as shattered crystal or battleclinic )) By doing it this way you'd save the in-game tax and broker fees.

Secondly isn't it "expensive" to pay for an account to have multiple skill queues to only log one in at a time? 1 plex is worth roughly $17.50 usd per month, If you were to buy a years subscription for a toon its only 10.95 per month. I know people have billions of isk and nothing to spend it on, but it makes more sense (to me) to just buy yearly subs for all toons and use the isk for more productive/fun things in game like funding capital fights and pvp roams =) just my two cents

I guess if you play to pay for eve and play for free, GTC's (or plex) make sense (convert GTC's to plex and save the tax and broker fees!) and if you just need a quick skill trained on alt accounts then this feature would make sense as well .. Dollar and cents though it doesn't make sense to train 3 accounts for "mains" on one main account, you're better off having multiple accounts overall.

Thanks

Flat
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#33 - 2013-10-18 17:37:17 UTC
Flatiner wrote:
Good dev blog, and I know some of my corp mates use this feature but the problem I see with this is the fact that you might get 3 main toons but can only log one in at a time and if you decide to "move" the toon to its own account you have to pay a fee for that as well, so why not just make second, third accounts?..

Not to mention why do people still buy plex in game? It makes more sense to pay the isk and buy a GTC (Game Time Code - can be found on the game time code bazaar on the forums and is secure!) and convert it into plex or apply it to your account directly (you would get two plex for 1x 60 - day Game Time code (34.99 if purchased from an eve affiliate such as shattered crystal or battleclinic )) By doing it this way you'd save the in-game tax and broker fees.

Secondly isn't it "expensive" to pay for an account to have multiple skill queues to only log one in at a time? 1 plex is worth roughly $17.50 usd per month, If you were to buy a years subscription for a toon its only 10.95 per month. I know people have billions of isk and nothing to spend it on, but it makes more sense (to me) to just buy yearly subs for all toons and use the isk for more productive/fun things in game like funding capital fights and pvp roams =) just my two cents

I guess if you play to pay for eve and play for free, GTC's (or plex) make sense (convert GTC's to plex and save the tax and broker fees!) and if you just need a quick skill trained on alt accounts then this feature would make sense as well .. Dollar and cents though it doesn't make sense to train 3 accounts for "mains" on one main account, you're better off having multiple accounts overall.

Thanks

Flat

You can't convert GTC's from the bazaar to PLEX, they will instantly become gametime to the nominated account.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#34 - 2013-10-18 17:53:38 UTC
What, a ripoff... NO GRAPHS!

Otherwise a good news devblog. Big smile

Should I just send my paycheque directly to Reykjavik to cutout the middlemen? Blink
Tanaka Aiko
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-10-18 18:31:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Aiko
Quote:
This feature will be going live with Odyssey 1.2 on October 22nd, 2013, and all relevant information regarding remaining times on active Skill Queues can be seen on the Account Management page just like before.

I don't see anything.
if I click on activating dual char it's say I can't because it's already active, and tell me when I can extend.
Sure I can count to get the answer, but that's not how it should be.
I saw that on rubicon we'll see how many days we have left on our account, it's already that, but I hope we'll get the others infos soon.
Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#36 - 2013-10-18 19:58:02 UTC
The time is fast approaching where it no longer makes sense to have arbitrary 3 character accounts...
Raijil Saavuj
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-10-18 20:34:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Raijil Saavuj
I'm rather attached to my character - I don't really like spending time on others. At about 50 million skillpoints, I'm pretty well-rounded in combat across a variety of platforms, but I'd like to get into industry too without having to have another alt to do it.

I'd be interested to see if instead of adding plex to get other characters on the account's skill queues active, if it would be possible to increase the rate at which your main character gains skillpoints. Not a straight 2x multiple, just faster than normal. Just a thought. Less skillpoints being added to the account than multiple skillques being active, but same amount of plex used.

I've a feeling this will be flamed Twisted
Don Kartel
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-10-18 20:49:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Don Kartel
You know what would be really good - linking multiple accounts to speed up the training of a single character rather than being able to train multiple characters on one account. Now that is something that is actually useful Roll
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#39 - 2013-10-18 20:51:31 UTC
CCP RubberBAND wrote:

Or 4 PLEX, to get 3 Training Queues going for 60 days (Your Main, Second Queue and Third Queue).


What?!?! What is it that I am missing there....

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#40 - 2013-10-18 21:03:00 UTC
Decaneos wrote:
I'm sorry but i just don't see the point in this, if it was cheaper somehow to run the accounts of your alts on one account, say like 45 days for a plex or longer then i would see a point to this, otherwise why not just have 3 separate accounts that you can then play at the same time or not as you choose, after all it actually costs the same other that that initial fee.


Because if you run three accounts, you have to pay three subscriptions in perpetuity. With temporary training queues, once you finish training you go back to paying for just one account.

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