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REPORT: Wreckage of Heth’s escort found in Hakonen

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Solarienne
Hrimdraugar
#61 - 2013-10-18 12:40:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Solarienne
Diana Kim wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
I heavily advise outsiders against actions in that Constellation. Opposition to Nation activity is not tolerated. Nation business will conclude in due time. Please wait until the area is "safe" before investigating this...disappearance.


Look, you, hellish spawn!
Return what you took from us, or all your spawnlings, your stations, your planets, families and filthy offsprings will burn! And you won't be allowed to die, until you have something to burn! Only when you will lose everything, you will be burnt as well.
If only one hair will fall from head of Tibus Heth, head of your beloved Kuvakei will be displayed on a pike to all freaking cluster!
Is it clear?


Considering there is really no evidence beyond a popular weapon type being used to kill the ships in quesion, and a lack of bodies, I think your impotent rage is premature.

Simply put, your patrol teams may have been so incompetent as to find the wrecks long after biomass salvagers and the likes had picked the wrecks clean of everything/everyone they thought wouldn't be able to be traced.

Dear leader could be a constituent in a meat smoothie right now. Think about it Kim. YOUR next clone might have a part of your dear leader in its pre-tailoring composition. Wouldn't that be a dream come true for you?

Evi only has the safety of your crew at heart in her statement, I am sure.

PY-RE Combat Pilot

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#62 - 2013-10-18 12:49:57 UTC
Miss Kim, if you wish to continue giving Caracal crews to Nation you are welcome. But I was simply trying to be polite by warning people away from Nation actions. It takes time out of our day to deal with you. Time better spent on our objectives.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#63 - 2013-10-18 14:12:47 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Miss Kim, if you wish to continue giving Caracal crews to Nation you are welcome. But I was simply trying to be polite by warning people away from Nation actions. It takes time out of our day to deal with you. Time better spent on our objectives.


Suffer the stubborn.


I love everything about this entire situation!


Sabik now, Sabik forever

Anslo
Scope Works
#64 - 2013-10-18 14:13:16 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
I heavily advise outsiders against actions in that Constellation. Opposition to Nation activity is not tolerated. Nation business will conclude in due time. Please wait until the area is "safe" before investigating this...disappearance.


Look, you, hellish spawn!
Return what you took from us, or all your spawnlings, your stations, your planets, families and filthy offsprings will burn! And you won't be allowed to die, until you have something to burn! Only when you will lose everything, you will be burnt as well.
If only one hair will fall from head of Tibus Heth, head of your beloved Kuvakei will be displayed on a pike to all freaking cluster!
Is it clear?


So how's that working out for you after 6 ship losses?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#65 - 2013-10-18 14:27:35 UTC
Please, Kim-haani, don't murder your crews out of impotent rage. Without intelligence as to a specific location, thirty Caracals could quarter that space for a week and not find what you're looking for - if indeed it is still there, or was even there in the first place.

If you need to grieve, do so in private.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#66 - 2013-10-18 14:27:53 UTC
So Kim keeps feeding Caracal crews to the toasters in a futile effort to locate Heth? That's the very definition of selfishness and insanity. This is a new height of hubris and crazy, even for her.

While I'm loathe to be on the same side of an argument as a Sansha supporter, I have to give credit where it's due:

Solarienne wrote:

...Dear leader could be a constituent in a meat smoothie right now. Think about it Kim. YOUR next clone might have a part of your dear leader in its pre-tailoring composition. Wouldn't that be a dream come true for you?...

I found this response not only on point but absolutely hilarious as well. Good work.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Anslo
Scope Works
#67 - 2013-10-18 14:32:31 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
So Kim keeps feeding Caracal crews to the toasters in a futile effort to locate Heth? That's the very definition of selfishness and insanity. This is a new height of hubris and crazy, even for her.

While I'm loathe to be on the same side of an argument as a Sansha supporter, I have to give credit where it's due:

Solarienne wrote:

...Dear leader could be a constituent in a meat smoothie right now. Think about it Kim. YOUR next clone might have a part of your dear leader in its pre-tailoring composition. Wouldn't that be a dream come true for you?...

I found this response not only on point but absolutely hilarious as well. Good work.


Or even better! Look down! Back up. The Provists are now diamonds!

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#68 - 2013-10-18 15:18:46 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
So Kim keeps feeding Caracal crews to the toasters in a futile effort to locate Heth? That's the very definition of selfishness and insanity. This is a new height of hubris and crazy, even for her.

While I'm loathe to be on the same side of an argument as a Sansha supporter, I have to give credit where it's due:

Solarienne wrote:

...Dear leader could be a constituent in a meat smoothie right now. Think about it Kim. YOUR next clone might have a part of your dear leader in its pre-tailoring composition. Wouldn't that be a dream come true for you?...

I found this response not only on point but absolutely hilarious as well. Good work.


Or even better! Look down! Back up. The Provists are now diamonds!

There is much better use for good carbon.
DutchGunner
Circle of Abyss
Wicked Angels.
#69 - 2013-10-18 16:54:16 UTC
As stated by several other capsuleers I think it is safe to agree on these conclusions:


  • The fleet with Tibus Heth on board on one of the warships was attacked to take prisoners. This make sense as High ranking personnel was on-board and there are signs of boarding actions and onboard fighting.

  • As there have been no broadcasts from capsuleers to claim the glory for what they have done, it is very likely that either capsuleers were not involved at all, or they belong to a specific group or faction. A different option that comes to mind is that it was a mercenary job with some very binding clauses.

  • Tibus Heth and the other High ranking personnel should be considered to be alive as they are likely to have very detailed information on State status and operations. It would be wise for the State to indeed review security and prepare for all possible information that these people might have, to be compromised.



I am hereby offering the assistance of the DIRSI corperation to the Caldari State to assist in safeguarding the people who live within it's borders from harm. DIRSI considers this a internal affair of the Caldari State and will not take any actions unless assistance is requested.

DutchGunner
CEO of the Direct Support Initiative
CONCORD Loyalist
Ninavask
The Synenose Accord
#70 - 2013-10-18 18:21:21 UTC
Xadiran wrote:
The Caldari Navy should scrub the interior of the ships for nanite debris. If the Sansha boarded, they more than likely used those paralyzing nanites they use planetside. Would explain the lack of bodies, though the size of a Raven may have limited their invasiveness, hence the firefights.

If Sansha presence is confirmed, then they might now have access to all the intricate knowledge Heth may have posessed about the State's defenses.

This is a serious situation, not just for the State. If Sansha is allowed to act on any tactical advantage he might have, all four empires may have serious problems on their hands.

Almost 200 years ago, the Empires collaborated to destroy Sansha. Something tells me we might just have to again.


If I remember correctly capsuleer controlled vessels are immune to Sansha nanite infestations which would require a boarding and direct applications. Which would explain the fire fight aboard the capsuleer based ships in Heaths escort. The pilot that flew off with him being a capsuleer if I remember correctly.

We will all have to see what turns up as the wreckage is combed over.

Dr. Ninavask Revan

Colonist

Alexylva Paradox

The views above are the opinions and beliefs of Dr. Ninavask and do in no way reflect on his employeers or associates at the time of posting.

Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#71 - 2013-10-18 19:28:37 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
What will not have changed - cannot have changed - in such a small time span is the organisation of the State's military, the strategies and tactics by which it operates, the methods its intelligence agencies use to gather information. This information is just as valuable - perhaps even more valuable - than access codes or identity manifests. Think of it like this: for a living, I research, design and build starships for the capsuleer market. I can't tell you the root password to each individual ship's mainframe because that automatically changes whenever a new capsuleer enters it. But I can tell you where to shoot it and what to shoot it with, how its engines perform, how fast it turns, what sort of equipment it's likely to be carrying and - with a little bit of information on the current pilot and the variables of the engagement - I can give you an educated guess on how effective it's going to be in a fight.


As I pointed out, he will not have any particular insight into three-quarters of the State's military forces, at least more than that of what hundreds of other analysts can figure out from public sources and estimates; furthermore, most military doctrines are not particularly secret or hidden. The disposition of forces, logistical support, and other specific information will surely have changed significantly over the last several months, and as a result even his information regarding KK and Navy forces will likely be far out of date. Perhaps there may be some knowledge of troop readiness that he may have regarding those, but it's likely most of that could be estimated without any special knowledge.

Considering the friction between Heth and the other megacorporate CEOs, do you really think they gave the Provists more than vaguely accurate information regarding their private forces, especially when it comes to corporations like Ishukone or Nugoeihuvi which have been openly critical of his regime for literally years?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-10-18 19:55:54 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
Considering the friction between Heth and the other megacorporate CEOs, do you really think they gave the Provists more than vaguely accurate information regarding their private forces, especially when it comes to corporations like Ishukone or Nugoeihuvi which have been openly critical of his regime for literally years?

Gave? Who said anything about giving? The Provists were always the enemies of the Caldari megacorporations, and openly so. If the megacorporations wouldn't give the Provists useful information on their security forces they'd have obtained it themselves. Back in Heth's glory days, there was always someone willing to sell information to the Provists.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#73 - 2013-10-18 22:01:00 UTC
Perhaps what they might gain out of Heth would be nothing military, but entirely in the wealth of legitimacy.

One thing I've learned over the years is that there is a face an empire presents to the rest of the cluster, and the more varied one it has behind closed doors. The official Caldari message is sort of the same one we give to the Mad Emperor, that anything good he did was vastly overwhelmed by the amount of harm. He is persona non grata, the greatest enemy to the State that there is.

Behind closed doors, I would assume that there might be more hidden supporters of Heth than anyone would like to admit. He had a power base in the lower classes that I would assume is not gone, and he had quite a bit of military support. I would think that, despite the Caldari's best efforts, a few weasels survived the cull.

The Caldari might not have many people who support the Sansha, but if Heth even has an infinitesimal following, maybe even just five or ten percent of the population, that is a lot of people who might help the Sansha if they can convince Heth to help. The best way to get Caldari to listen to you is to have a Caldari say it, and Heth doesn't have many friends anymore in the above-ground, civilized world.

Just thinking aloud here, but I think that if Heth was taken by the Sansha, he isn't entirely worthless as a propaganda piece.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-10-19 11:03:30 UTC
Solarienne wrote:

Simply put, your patrol teams may have been so incompetent as to find the wrecks long after biomass salvagers and the likes had picked the wrecks clean of everything/everyone they thought wouldn't be able to be traced.

Dear leader could be a constituent in a meat smoothie right now. Think about it Kim. YOUR next clone might have a part of your dear leader in its pre-tailoring composition. Wouldn't that be a dream come true for you?

How about we put turn YOU into a meat smoothie for clones, and not your frozen corpse, but YOU, so you can enjoy this marvellous experience and your dreams, when layers of your flesh will be dissolved one of one!
I hope your networked sansha members will share your enjoyment of show and feelings.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#75 - 2013-10-19 11:06:29 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Miss Kim, if you wish to continue giving Caracal crews to Nation you are welcome. But I was simply trying to be polite by warning people away from Nation actions. It takes time out of our day to deal with you. Time better spent on our objectives.

I would prefer to kill myself instead of getting into Sansha's hands. And I demand the same from my crew members, those who do not agree are asked to find them another deployment.
Thus, Sansha from me don't get crewmembers. Only death and destruction.
And believe me, during these engagement Sansha lost way more than I did! I was even destroying Sansha's wrecks, so they could salvage nothing!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-10-19 11:21:41 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:

Considering the friction between Heth and the other megacorporate CEOs, do you really think they gave the Provists more than vaguely accurate information regarding their private forces, especially when it comes to corporations like Ishukone or Nugoeihuvi which have been openly critical of his regime for literally years?

Nugoeihuvi corporation is very dark and have very indecent business, that I prefer no Caldari would ever be involved in. I don't know much about them, but what I heard from other capsuleers, make me think they indeed weren't real Caldari supporters. I don't know much details, but I hope that most of NOH employers were loyal and never betrayed Tibus Heth.

Ishukone Corporation, for whom mostly this war was started, didn't pay our glorious Executor and the State the proper support they should. But I don't blame Ishukone citizens, rather their new CEO, who disgraced himself, his ancestry, his corporation and Caldari name, when he kneeled before gallentean swines, asking for the planet, that already was our. I believe that citizens are very much embarrassed of such CEO and would prefer him to be replaced by Tibus Heth any day.

Besides, other corporations didn't criticize Tibus Heth and thus were loyal to the State. Don't forget, that during this time all of dissident scum, who openly opposed the Executor, were just incompetent managers, who were holding positions only because of nepotism, and were demoted with Heth-haan's reforms. Most of them were exiled or run from the State, and you could find most concentration of them in lawless nullsec regions, but not in the State.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#77 - 2013-10-19 11:44:15 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Miss Kim, if you wish to continue giving Caracal crews to Nation you are welcome. But I was simply trying to be polite by warning people away from Nation actions. It takes time out of our day to deal with you. Time better spent on our objectives.

I would prefer to kill myself instead of getting into Sansha's hands. And I demand the same from my crew members, those who do not agree are asked to find them another deployment.
Thus, Sansha from me don't get crewmembers. Only death and destruction.
And believe me, during these engagement Sansha lost way more than I did! I was even destroying Sansha's wrecks, so they could salvage nothing!


You're under the mistaken impression your crew would be given choices in the matter.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-10-19 11:53:27 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Miss Kim, if you wish to continue giving Caracal crews to Nation you are welcome. But I was simply trying to be polite by warning people away from Nation actions. It takes time out of our day to deal with you. Time better spent on our objectives.

I would prefer to kill myself instead of getting into Sansha's hands. And I demand the same from my crew members, those who do not agree are asked to find them another deployment.
Thus, Sansha from me don't get crewmembers. Only death and destruction.
And believe me, during these engagement Sansha lost way more than I did! I was even destroying Sansha's wrecks, so they could salvage nothing!


You're under the mistaken impression your crew would be given choices in the matter.

You're under the mistaken impression they would wait to be saved.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Darian en Chasteaux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-10-21 06:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Darian en Chasteaux
Magua...

I cannot afford the time to delve into this madness of idelaistic weaponry...

By Jove I cannot ...wait I missed most of the musings in here I will return and investigate this matter for myself...

There should be some legitimacy for safe travel; standings should attest to that; perhaps a standing order should not only be conveyed to the High Councils but demanded upon to inusre such safe travel.

It is ludicrous to think such simple ideas seem to evade complexical societal thinking.

Darian en Chasteaux Roll