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Best cheap BC or smaller fleet to take down most L4 missioners?
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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#1 - 2011-11-16 06:28:00 UTC
If you had a small gang (2 to 4) of low SP, inexperienced pilots capable of flying T1 only hulls BC or smaller and they have to tackle and kill a random L4 missioner in his mission space, what would your fleet composition be, and why? Assume any BC will be T1 fitted, and limited T2 mods on cruisers and below. Also assume that the priorities are the quick, simple (noobproof w/maybe one experienced FC), and safe destruction of the missioner's ship, in that order. Bonus points if you can throw in a blackbird.

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David Clausewitz
David Clausewitz Corporation
#2 - 2011-11-16 06:29:48 UTC
Drakes.
Dilligafmofo
3WAYFOUNDATIONS
New Miner's Union
#3 - 2011-11-16 07:16:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Dilligafmofo
1 x Hurricane or Brutix for DPS
2 x Arbitrators fitted for neuting
1 x Blackbird with racial jammers

Point, Neut have the mission rats deal the damage together with your dps ship. Blackbird is the finishing touch to ensure missioner doesn't get a shot off.

Question should be how are you all going to get agro from the mission runner if in high sec?


If low sec disregard the question I posed ;)
penifSMASH
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#4 - 2011-11-16 07:19:30 UTC
l0l drakes. go away coward

If you're going to gank a mission runner, he is going to be fit with a low buffer and an active tank. That means you can go in with a high dps close range ship like a Gallente blaster boat (thorax or brutix) and overwhelm him or you can go with dual neuting Hurricanes and (eventually) shut off his tank.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#5 - 2011-11-16 07:42:32 UTC
Dilligafmofo wrote:
1 x Hurricane or Brutix for DPS
2 x Arbitrators fitted for neuting
1 x Blackbird with racial jammers

Point, Neut have the mission rats deal the damage together with your dps ship. Blackbird is the finishing touch to ensure missioner doesn't get a shot off.

Question should be how are you all going to get agro from the mission runner if in high sec?


If low sec disregard the question I posed ;)


Thank you for the responses. The fit above is along the lines of what I was thinking. Neuts for the active tank. DPS. Jams for any unexpected turn of events. If the BB can land at 100km, I don't see much hope for the mission ship, even if it's bait.

The plan is simply to ninja loot their wrecks with something innocent looking and hope for the best.

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Keyboardz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-11-16 08:52:29 UTC
You should all fly this

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Warrior II
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-11-16 11:39:40 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
If you had a small gang (2 to 4) of low SP, inexperienced pilots capable of flying T1 only hulls BC or smaller and they have to tackle and kill a random L4 missioner in his mission space, what would your fleet composition be, and why? Assume any BC will be T1 fitted, and limited T2 mods on cruisers and below. Also assume that the priorities are the quick, simple (noobproof w/maybe one experienced FC), and safe destruction of the missioner's ship, in that order. Bonus points if you can throw in a blackbird.




If your target a faction BS, then 5 of the new BC probably are a minimum. Maybe 4 if said faction BS is armortanking and the shield has already been stripped by NPCs. And if you use some of their weapon slots for neuts, you might need one more.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#8 - 2011-11-16 14:59:26 UTC
Except for the suddenly ninjas guy, it's clear none of you are seeing the problem here; being able to shoot the target.

For this to happen, he has to aggress each and every one of you. The chance of this happening past the first ship .. pretty damn small. If it does, he is both a ****** and a noob, so a T1 cruiser will do the job.

Take an armour cane, with neuts, DPS, and a cap booster. If you really must, throw in a Rep domi to keep it up. The rep domi can apply DPS if the MR also aggroes it.

If you need more than one ship to take out an active tanking mission runner, you're doing it wrong.

If you are all very low skilled (you don't mention any racial types flown) then you can use a Brutix for DPS, and stick the other toons in an Exequror for reps, and a Augoror to keep it capped up long enough. Yes, both ships see little to no use, which is part of why it is fun :)
Paper thin T1 logi is good bait for the MR to shoot. If the MR aggresses either logistic ship, reship into more DPS and pile on.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#9 - 2011-11-16 15:38:31 UTC
We've been doing this for over 2 years now. Best practice so far is as follows:

1) Bait with Merlin, Jag, Worm, Vigil or Hookbill.
2) Mission Bear shoots you and you then web and kill his drones.
3) Corpmates arrive with any sort of Logi, drawing aggro themselves about 1 time out of 3.
4) Kill ship is delivered to you as you hold the hapless mission bear with your full tackle ninja frigate. This can be accomplished via an Orca or simply having an Alt or whoever bring in the kill ship.
5) Swap ship, ransom then PWN.

Best kill ship to throw out of an Orca is a standard plated Cane w/ 2 medium neuts. If you plan on having one of your mates deliver a ship to you, it would be hard to beat a Torp Phoon.

@ OP,

If you want first hand guidance from experienced pilots, we're currently recruiting and can get you in the business of killing Mission Bears in very short order. X up.

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#10 - 2011-11-16 17:14:48 UTC
Solomar Espersei wrote:
We've been doing this for over 2 years now. Best practice so far is as follows:

1) Bait with Merlin, Jag, Worm, Vigil or Hookbill.
2) Mission Bear shoots you and you then web and kill his drones.
3) Corpmates arrive with any sort of Logi, drawing aggro themselves about 1 time out of 3.
4) Kill ship is delivered to you as you hold the hapless mission bear with your full tackle ninja frigate. This can be accomplished via an Orca or simply having an Alt or whoever bring in the kill ship.
5) Swap ship, ransom then PWN.

Best kill ship to throw out of an Orca is a standard plated Cane w/ 2 medium neuts. If you plan on having one of your mates deliver a ship to you, it would be hard to beat a Torp Phoon.

@ OP,

If you want first hand guidance from experienced pilots, we're currently recruiting and can get you in the business of killing Mission Bears in very short order. X up.


Thank you. Think I'll do just that and take the plunge.

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Sivor Detmen
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
-affliction-
#11 - 2011-11-16 18:50:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Sivor Detmen
Solomar Espersei wrote:
We've been doing this for over 2 years now. Best practice so far is as follows:

1) Bait with Merlin, Jag, Worm, Vigil or Hookbill.
2) Mission Bear shoots you and you then web and kill his drones.
3) Corpmates arrive with any sort of Logi, drawing aggro themselves about 1 time out of 3.
4) Kill ship is delivered to you as you hold the hapless mission bear with your full tackle ninja frigate. This can be accomplished via an Orca or simply having an Alt or whoever bring in the kill ship.
5) Swap ship, ransom then PWN.

Best kill ship to throw out of an Orca is a standard plated Cane w/ 2 medium neuts. If you plan on having one of your mates deliver a ship to you, it would be hard to beat a Torp Phoon.

@ OP,

If you want first hand guidance from experienced pilots, we're currently recruiting and can get you in the business of killing Mission Bears in very short order. X up.



Was expecting more from you guys.


I use an ishkur.

Cruor works perfectly, same with fed navy comet, daredevil or worm.

If you can't kill 95% of the mission runners that are stupid enough to aggress you with any of these ships you are doing wrong.

If you find one belonging to the 5% bring a kill ship with an alt or call for a friend with some rr to get aggro. Don't let your friend bring anything bigger than a frigate because the mission runner may get scared and won't aggress your friend. Also make your best to appear that you are breaking and the only thing saving you is your friend repping you.

To increase the chances of getting a kill do it in packs and spread around several systems. Make sure everyship frigate has a rr mod or an logi drone to get aggro and the right mod in the cargo ready to refit.

If you are lucky sometimes you will find guys like these

http://www.devilswarrior.info/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=2983

http://www.devilswarrior.info/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4375
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-17 02:02:13 UTC
Canes, by far.
fit 2 neuts on each of them and no mission ship will be able to tank.

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Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-11-17 03:22:29 UTC
4 Blaster Thoraxes with medium ECM drones :D

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#14 - 2011-11-17 05:34:10 UTC
Solomar Espersei wrote:

4) Kill ship is delivered to you as you hold the hapless mission bear with your full tackle ninja frigate. This can be accomplished via an Orca or simply having an Alt or whoever bring in the kill ship.
5) Swap ship, ransom then PWN.


Quick question... How can you swap to the kill ship and still maintain point on the mission bear?

Also, now that I'm clear on aggro mechanics, is it possible to kill a L4 mission ship with just a destroyer for tackle & DPS w/one logi cruiser for support?

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JackStraw56
Run Like an Antelope
#15 - 2011-11-17 08:26:58 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Canes, by far.
fit 2 neuts on each of them and no mission ship will be able to tank.

This is the answer. Neuting canes will not be killed by a mission fit.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-11-17 09:36:57 UTC
A solo Pilgrim would work against every turret ship.

What's even better is that you can bait with your ninjafrigate, and keep your pilgrim cloacked (If you don't get decloacked by something).
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#17 - 2011-11-17 15:03:19 UTC
Or you could just join Faction Warfare, stop griffing players that don't want to pvp, grow balls and fight someone looking to kill you instead.

Unless of course, this is too much for you. In Fw Skill points are not so much of an problem. An unwillingness to lose a ship however.

Not trying to be rude, but having to trick dumbass mission runners into pvp is not a good fight, sure mission runners are insanely stupid and have overpriced boats, but High sec is not a good place for pvp.

Jump into 3 BCs and some tackle hit low and get a fight.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-11-17 15:58:59 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Or you could just join Faction Warfare, stop griffing players that don't want to pvp, grow balls and fight someone looking to kill you instead.

Unless of course, this is too much for you. In Fw Skill points are not so much of an problem. An unwillingness to lose a ship however.

Not trying to be rude, but having to trick dumbass mission runners into pvp is not a good fight, sure mission runners are insanely stupid and have overpriced boats, but High sec is not a good place for pvp.

Jump into 3 BCs and some tackle hit low and get a fight.


Get out of this thread and stop trying to tell other people how to play.
Sage Revinour
Only Fools or Horses
#19 - 2011-11-17 16:17:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Sage Revinour
sYnc Vir wrote:
Or you could just join Faction Warfare, stop griffing players that don't want to pvp, grow balls and fight someone looking to kill you instead.

Unless of course, this is too much for you. In Fw Skill points are not so much of an problem. An unwillingness to lose a ship however.

Not trying to be rude, but having to trick dumbass mission runners into pvp is not a good fight, sure mission runners are insanely stupid and have overpriced boats, but High sec is not a good place for pvp.

Jump into 3 BCs and some tackle hit low and get a fight.


QFT. Only a loser mugs little old women for their social security checks.
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-11-17 18:02:37 UTC
Sage Revinour wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Or you could just join Faction Warfare, stop griffing players that don't want to pvp, grow balls and fight someone looking to kill you instead.

Unless of course, this is too much for you. In Fw Skill points are not so much of an problem. An unwillingness to lose a ship however.

Not trying to be rude, but having to trick dumbass mission runners into pvp is not a good fight, sure mission runners are insanely stupid and have overpriced boats, but High sec is not a good place for pvp.

Jump into 3 BCs and some tackle hit low and get a fight.


QFT. Only a loser mugs little old women for their social security checks.

Shouldn't you be using your ignorance on Eve related matters elsewhere?
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