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Supercarrier changes are hilariously bad
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Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2011-11-17 03:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
+1 like for OP because 1) he knows that caps suck and should never have been put in the game, and 2) that CCP devs dont know what theyre doing (they dont play their game).

and regarding the cheese discussion - you guys dont know your damn cheeses. youre just naming yellow cheeses, which are ok but there's so much more to cheese. has anyone had fresh cheese from goat or sheep milk? there's nothing like fresh cheese you amateurs. if i have to vote for a fatty cheese, i'll go with provolone and organic cheddar.
Gordrath
ZentroneX
#102 - 2011-11-17 05:12:24 UTC
Andski wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
YOu could fly out of a bubble unless the bubble moves!


you'll be out of the bubble in no time at the blazing fast speed of 66 m/s



but...but... you could fit a 1000MN MWD III on that thing.......to get more cheese out of it ...no? Shocked
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#103 - 2011-11-17 05:36:23 UTC
I prefer mozza, myself. Good on pizza, tacos, burritos, you name it!

And I also want to point out how appropriate it is that the thread topic changed to cheese.

After all, it started with a fine whine. ;)

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#104 - 2011-11-17 07:01:21 UTC
I can haz ur stuffs, OP?

Ni.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#105 - 2011-11-17 07:05:15 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
mkint wrote:
Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.

That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.



I like velveta cheese for some reason, Its supposed to be cheddar but the way it melts and gooey and the sorts just make it far superior to most other cheddars i know of.

Also american cheese isnt a real cheese is a cheese byproduct.


Velveeta...meh: Wild over-indulgence in that stuff as a kid pretty much killed my taste for it as an adult..

Is American cheese even food?

Ni.
Ned Black
Driders
#106 - 2011-11-17 07:55:22 UTC
xxxak wrote:
Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse.

Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less. On some level, this is not a bad thing. Personally, I might advocate for the total removal of Supers from the game. However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE. Oh, and for all of you who claim that EVE is a sandbox with no end game, go take a basic psychology class at your local community college. Pathetic.

I, for one, hope my tears, at least, fuel you in your future journeys. I expect that by this time next year CCP will be a tattered corpse lying in a gutter by the access road.

TL;DR -- the new changes do nothing to reduce supercap blobbing, and in fact just make super pilots wants to get into bigger mega blobs. CCP fails and proves itself to be a dumb blunt-minded brute.


So in one sentence you say that the super cap blobs will be even bigger... and in the next that supers will be used less... does not compute...

Best counter to your complete SC blobfest would be a regular fleet of sub caps. The SCs would be sitting ducks... so no, I seriously doubt that there will be any SC blobs... I do think there will be a lot SCs playing dust collectors... not to mention the plague of SC self destruction we will likely see... now I only wish they would have removed insurance from self destructing as well as suicide ganking.
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#107 - 2011-11-17 08:37:23 UTC
The real end game is -1.0 sec aka wspace, HTFU
Ougaa Baalstomp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2011-11-17 08:47:23 UTC
Cheddar makes my cheeks burn.

I think its an allergic reaction but is quite pleasant.

..er my face cheeks that is.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#109 - 2011-11-17 09:16:56 UTC
1. Shropshire Blue
2. Mature Cheddar
3. Stilton

All of the above are excellent but just add a light sprinkling of whining supercap pilot tears for that extra zing.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Tore Vest
#110 - 2011-11-17 09:35:19 UTC
Why spoil this fine thread with.. cheese? Cool

No troll.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2011-11-17 10:02:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Zagam wrote:


Seriously though... CCP's changes aren't forcing bigger supercap blobs. They are forcing supercaps to require a *fleet* of support. Supercaps aren't designed to OMGWTFBBQ rats or subcaps. They are designed to be anti-capital ships.


Indeed.

Not even in real-world navies do aircraft carriers operate without some kind of support, whether from the aircraft they carry with them or from other smaller ships in the fleet. Because of their immense size and relatively low moblity, and the fact that most of their guns are designed for long-range bombardment, rather than anti-aircraft fire, operating without support is pretty much suicide.


Hold the phone there Sparky. The only guns we had on our carrier that weren't attached to aircraft were the CIWS (close in weapons systems, affectionately known as "R2-D2 with a hard-on") designed to shoot down incoming planes and missile... nothing that was a threat at all to anything at range.

And yes, they serve cheese on aircraft carriers.

http://www.myspace.com/lil44_69/photos/25069865#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A25069865%7D (This is not me, btw...)



CWIS

Captain it Won't Shoot

Costly inefficient Waste of Space


...and a Phalanx certainly isn't an AA platfom, since it its speed gated a pilot only has to slow down to completely defeat the system...oh and be too close and there is no need to ever be that close in a military combat craft.

Those are the ONLY non-crew served weapons on a carrier and trust me NO ONE EVER want to rely on it as a real defense....ever.

I was a FC in the Navy for 9 years, I spent my fair share up on the mount beating the **** out of the gun itself trying to unjam things lol.


:edit

I saw someone mention Guata (sp) cheese .......tasty.

Ammish cave cheese is the bomb if you have Ammish around (I do).
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#112 - 2011-11-17 10:05:11 UTC
loose lips sink ships, spy

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
#113 - 2011-11-17 11:10:22 UTC
The more a cheese stinks, the harder it owns.
MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
#114 - 2011-11-17 13:06:25 UTC
I was on a vacation in Marseilles last year. Cheese plates will all kinds of cheese the names I can't even pronounce. You get baguette and some ham and it's f***ing awesome with the magnificent coastline view, some wine and all that good ****.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#115 - 2011-11-17 14:22:40 UTC
The annoying thing about low moisture Mozzarella is that the pre-shredded stuff is covered in cornstarch, so it never melts properly. You end up having to buy bricks (whole milk ofc) and shred your own to have any chance of getting to melt reasonably well on your pizza.

Oh, and Armenian braided string cheese. Mmmmmm.


If you log your super off while an ibis is shooting you, you're an idiot. Just warp to a safespot and cloak and the big bad scawwey ibis can't hurt you. An Ibis (or anything other than an interdictor/heavy dictor) can't hold down a super (in case you forgot, that aint changing).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2011-11-17 19:53:12 UTC
two days and not one single "you want cheese with that whine" type of comment?

you people should be ashamed of yourselves. This thread was born for rebreaking out the old relics of trolldom.
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#117 - 2011-11-17 20:14:02 UTC
SMT008 wrote:
I think that Supercarriers are a bit like tanks in Battlefield 3.

Powerfull, you have your main gun, you have the coaxial machinegun, you have the gunner's turret, you have the CITV station and all.

But if you roll too fast and without support in the ennemy base, what happens ? You'll get hit by 2 RPGs, your vehicle will be disabled, you won't be able to reverse to a safe place because you're too far from any kind of cover or friendly engineers who could repair you. And you'll die in a fire because you though you were driving an invincible behemoth.

(And it works the same with attack choppers. They kick metric tons of asses, but if they encounter too many AA Launchers or AA vehicles, you better get out fast. Ask your teammates to clean those up with regular tanks, then you'll be able to fly freely and destroy everything they have.)

Go alone and you'll die. Go with a support team, they won't break the tank because of friendly engineers, they'll get killed by the tank's machineguns, the tank will wreck any sort of cover if the ennemy is hiding. Epic win.



Right Right Right.... and what do they call these strategies of utilizing different weapon systems with complimentary advantages and mutually negating shortcomings? I believe they call it a combined arms strategy. What would help balance CAP/SCAP warfare? Adjusting the abilities of certain ship types to neccessitate a combined arms approach in order to achieve competitive balance. In RL competitive balance sucks, but in a game its very necessary to avoid stagnate play.

It would appear that this has been done, or at least attempted. That being said I think you will see an eventual adjustment from a no drones at all policy to a small number or drones in a seperate bay policy becuase that makes too much sense not to do it both from a game play perspective and logical reasons.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#118 - 2011-11-17 20:16:17 UTC
Jack Tronic wrote:
The real end game is -1.0 sec aka wspace, HTFU


Once you head into the rabbit hole, everything else loses its potency. Flowers smell prettier, colors are brighter, etc. etc.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2011-11-17 20:47:47 UTC
Only one person has mentioned Jarlsburg already. The shame.

Also, cap changes are goooood. Supers only having a viable counter of more supers is beyond silly.

(I'll freely admit that I am an advocate of removing Supercarriers, as despite all the changes they've still not got an actual role to fill. Titans don't either, but I think due to their size and cost, they could be turned into a mobile space factory pooing out subcaps, or at least, tied into sov/on grid fleet boosts).
Perramas
DreddNaut
#120 - 2011-11-17 20:53:24 UTC
Aloe Cloveris wrote:
The more a cheese stinks, the harder it owns.


You must love fumunda cheese.

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