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Loki Solo C3 Wormhole Fit

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MrBlack Isagar
Shpoople
#1 - 2011-10-12 17:18:01 UTC
Hey, Would anyone like to share a working C3 solo wormhole fit with me?
Dont tell me I should get a Tengu.
Michael J Caboose
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-10-12 22:55:50 UTC
You could try something like this:

[Loki, Active Shield]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

440 dps
620 omni-tank
786 m/s top speed
55% cap stability to help with sleeper neuts
Plus the all important probe launcher, which if you are truly solo is an absolute must have item. Some people might claim it's over tanked for C3s, but I prefer to err on the side of caution.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-12 23:50:31 UTC
Michael J Caboose wrote:
You could try something like this:

[Loki, Active Shield]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

440 dps
620 omni-tank
786 m/s top speed
55% cap stability to help with sleeper neuts
Plus the all important probe launcher, which if you are truly solo is an absolute must have item. Some people might claim it's over tanked for C3s, but I prefer to err on the side of caution.



If you are truly solo how are you getting at the yummy sleeper salvage?
Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
#4 - 2011-10-13 05:15:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Herman Klaus
The Gist B-Type is cheaper. EFT warrior detected.
MrBlack Isagar
Shpoople
#5 - 2011-10-13 09:11:44 UTC
Thx I look into it. I live at a POS and got an salvager alt so salvaging aint a problem.
Efraya
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#6 - 2011-10-13 11:03:34 UTC
Don't, fly with friends.

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#7 - 2011-10-13 11:57:44 UTC
Michael J Caboose wrote:
55% cap stability to help with sleeper neuts

You've never ran a C3 solo, have you?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Michael J Caboose
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-10-13 16:03:40 UTC
Herman: The B-Type is cheaper, thanks for pointing that out!. It's been a while since I boght one, and it was indeed a B-type. What?

Khanh'rrh: I said it helps, never said it makes you immune. If the OP wants a passive fit that makes the neuts less of an issue, he could try something like this:

[Loki, Passive]
Power Diagnostic System II
Shield Power Relay II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Medium Core Defence Field Purger II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#9 - 2011-10-13 16:49:17 UTC
Michael J Caboose wrote:
I said it helps, never said it makes you immune

Right.

So when you're scrammed by the sleepers, and your active tank is being neuted to fuckery, your grand plan is to what, warp out?

Not to mention, the fit you posted will apply less DPS to the sleepers than a T2 fit drake, which will do the same for 1/10th the cost.

Again, you've never run a C3 site, have you?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-10-13 17:50:15 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Michael J Caboose wrote:
I said it helps, never said it makes you immune

Right.

So when you're scrammed by the sleepers, and your active tank is being neuted to fuckery, your grand plan is to what, warp out?

Not to mention, the fit you posted will apply less DPS to the sleepers than a T2 fit drake, which will do the same for 1/10th the cost.

Again, you've never run a C3 site, have you?


Oh shut up about C3 neuts. They are friggen pathetic as neuts go, unless you are running a mag/radar site. As far as the drake - the OP asked for a loki and said to not recommend a tengu, which most likely means he also doesn't want a drake. And no, you aren't going to get a decent C3 loki anyways, the ship just sucks too much.

-Arazel
Windorian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-13 18:34:07 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Michael J Caboose wrote:
I said it helps, never said it makes you immune

Right.

So when you're scrammed by the sleepers, and your active tank is being neuted to fuckery, your grand plan is to what, warp out?

Not to mention, the fit you posted will apply less DPS to the sleepers than a T2 fit drake, which will do the same for 1/10th the cost.

Again, you've never run a C3 site, have you?


Umm, have you? i run C3 sites every day, and though i use a tengu now, i've ventured through MANY ships, and you seem to be misinformed about a few things.

Drake DPS: I'd LOVE to see you fit a drake that can not only tank a C3 site solo, but also put out more then 250 DPS. Fleet ops, sure, no problem with atleast 3 of them. Solo however, you will not be able to fit a sufficient tank and more then 1 BCU.

Nuets: Not all sleepers nuet. Say it again folks, Not all sleepers nuet. Learn the archtypes, and unless they are the trigger, take them out first (hint: the nueting ones also have very high DPS, but have glass tanks themselves). I normally shoot for 45% or better cap stability, and with that i can survive the BS nuets long enough to kill them. Above 55% and you should be able to maintain cap under a single BS nuet, or several cruiser, though for lesser time.

Scrams: Yeah, same thing as with nuets, only they are even rarer until you get to C4's and up. Dont worry Too much about these, once you know which sites have them and which spawns they are in, they become non-issue.

As to the OP: your fit is workable on EFT, but you will find issues in Real EVE. Loki's and Legions are great for one thing in WH's as far as PVE goes, and that's killing frigates. Having even one or two in fleet to take out the frigates while the beefier ships aim for cruiser and up will speed things up drastically. Solo work is difficult though because of your limited range. The AB would solve this, but WEBS actually are very common in C3 sites. Your fancy AB isn't gonna help too much when you have 4 frigates on you, webbing from 40km away.

I would change one or two things though.

Cap flux coil ---> Power Diagnostic = Better shield reps per cycle, slightly less cap stability, but cap buffer is larger and this actually helps alot with resisting sleeer nuets. Increased shield HP is nice too.

Gyro ---> Tracking enhancer (only one of them) = Yes, less paper DPS, but this will help ALOT with increasing your native falloff, and your applied DPS. There is a reason nearly EVERY autocannon ship you see will have atleast one. Tracking, optimal, falloff all in one.

I would also consider changing 1 tracking computer for a shield boost amplifier. Personal preference, nice module to have on ANY active shield ship. And the trackign enhancer should help offset the loss of 1 tracking computer.

Ammo, faction is too fancy. Either use regular T1, or use T2 ammo (barrage helps alot in the beginning of a fight). Faction ammo just costs too much when you are spitting them out like a machine gun (on artillery fits however, faction is AMAZING) . Sleepers omni tank, so it doesn't matter which dmg type you shoot. If you can afford faction, it will help kill faster, but make sure it's worth the premium cost.

All in all, the loki CAN work for solo work, and for fleets it's actually very useful as it can buzz around in it's best range while others are tanking. when i use a projectile ship for WH, i Prefer the Sleipnir myself. Similar tactics to the loki, but bigger buffers on everything. 750+ DPS and a 650 DPs tank on mine, though it still suffers the range issue, same as the Loki. It's nice for fleets though.








Michael J Caboose
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-10-14 15:03:07 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Michael J Caboose wrote:
I said it helps, never said it makes you immune

Right.

So when you're scrammed by the sleepers, and your active tank is being neuted to fuckery, your grand plan is to what, warp out?

Not to mention, the fit you posted will apply less DPS to the sleepers than a T2 fit drake, which will do the same for 1/10th the cost.

Again, you've never run a C3 site, have you?


The neuts are annoying, but you aren't instantly capped out. The worst spawn for neuts in a C3 has 4 neuting cruisers and 2 scram frigates. You can easily kill the frigates before you have any issue with the cruisers.

The OP asked for a Loki fit. If you think the ones I've offered are terrible, feel free to offer a better one instead of bloviating on and on about C3 sleeper neuts. They aren't THAT bad ffs.
MrBlack Isagar
Shpoople
#13 - 2011-10-14 15:13:46 UTC
Khanraa please shut the **** up and tell him how to fit it instead or **** off. Its simple as that
Golan Snyder
Interstellar Construct Union
#14 - 2011-10-30 05:23:33 UTC
This is what I use, doesn't give me any trouble, at all. I use Barrage for everything except, bs', I save Hail for that. Also, I live in a wh, so salvaging and scouting isn't a problem for me. I wasn't sure of what sort of solo you meant. Sorry if you were looking for an exploration ship.Sad

[Loki, Loki fit]

Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
[Empty High slot]

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II


Hobgoblin II x5

Resists - 92/87/80/84
107305 EHP
Stable at 51%
1820 m/s
518 DPS w Barrage/ 686 w Hail

Also, the implants I use.

Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gnome' KVA2000
Hardwiring - Eifyr and Co 'Gunslinger' MX-2
Hardwiring - Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' CX-1
Stoella Vaxeb
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-11-17 08:32:26 UTC
I used to use a Loki to solo C3's. At the time I remember looking and struggling to find a decent fit to do the job. I never thought to go passive/buffer as I figured an active tank would be essential. Anyway this is what I came up with and used it to great success in many many C3's.

With my skills it's cap stable at 42%, however given the great resists I only had to pulse the large booster to get the shields back to 100% in no time. It allowed me to keep my cap pretty much full to buy time in the event of neuting. There was one site (can't remember which one), in which I sometimes had to warp out ONCE due to heavy neuting, however by the time I'd turned around and warped back in my cap was full again. You do get webbed but with barrage ammo and the TE you can usually know them down pretty quick. Other than that things were a total breeze. From memory C3 radars and mags had too much repping so getting though them was more trouble than it was worth.

This fit was built to be cheap. Those faction mods in the mids are dirt cheap and more for fitting purposes than anything. The most expensive part is the 2 tech 2 rigs.

I know that there are probably better fits out there to do the job, but this is what I came up with at the time, it worked great and it made me billions. It's worth a look for comparisons sake at least.

As a bonus this thing is so much fun to fly. My Tengu is boring in comparison ;)

[Loki, Solo C3 loki]
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Domination Large Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix


Warrior II x5
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#16 - 2011-11-17 08:36:26 UTC
Windorian wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Michael J Caboose wrote:
I said it helps, never said it makes you immune

Right.

So when you're scrammed by the sleepers, and your active tank is being neuted to fuckery, your grand plan is to what, warp out?

Not to mention, the fit you posted will apply less DPS to the sleepers than a T2 fit drake, which will do the same for 1/10th the cost.

Again, you've never run a C3 site, have you?


Umm, have you? i run C3 sites every day, and though i use a tengu now, i've ventured through MANY ships, and you seem to be misinformed about a few things.

Drake DPS: I'd LOVE to see you fit a drake that can not only tank a C3 site solo, but also put out more then 250 DPS. Fleet ops, sure, no problem with atleast 3 of them. Solo however, you will not be able to fit a sufficient tank and more then 1 BCU.

Nuets: Not all sleepers nuet. Say it again folks, Not all sleepers nuet. Learn the archtypes, and unless they are the trigger, take them out first (hint: the nueting ones also have very high DPS, but have glass tanks themselves). I normally shoot for 45% or better cap stability, and with that i can survive the BS nuets long enough to kill them. Above 55% and you should be able to maintain cap under a single BS nuet, or several cruiser, though for lesser time.

Scrams: Yeah, same thing as with nuets, only they are even rarer until you get to C4's and up. Dont worry Too much about these, once you know which sites have them and which spawns they are in, they become non-issue.

As to the OP: your fit is workable on EFT, but you will find issues in Real EVE. Loki's and Legions are great for one thing in WH's as far as PVE goes, and that's killing frigates. Having even one or two in fleet to take out the frigates while the beefier ships aim for cruiser and up will speed things up drastically. Solo work is difficult though because of your limited range. The AB would solve this, but WEBS actually are very common in C3 sites. Your fancy AB isn't gonna help too much when you have 4 frigates on you, webbing from 40km away.

I would change one or two things though.

Cap flux coil ---> Power Diagnostic = Better shield reps per cycle, slightly less cap stability, but cap buffer is larger and this actually helps alot with resisting sleeer nuets. Increased shield HP is nice too.

Gyro ---> Tracking enhancer (only one of them) = Yes, less paper DPS, but this will help ALOT with increasing your native falloff, and your applied DPS. There is a reason nearly EVERY autocannon ship you see will have atleast one. Tracking, optimal, falloff all in one.

I would also consider changing 1 tracking computer for a shield boost amplifier. Personal preference, nice module to have on ANY active shield ship. And the trackign enhancer should help offset the loss of 1 tracking computer.

Ammo, faction is too fancy. Either use regular T1, or use T2 ammo (barrage helps alot in the beginning of a fight). Faction ammo just costs too much when you are spitting them out like a machine gun (on artillery fits however, faction is AMAZING) . Sleepers omni tank, so it doesn't matter which dmg type you shoot. If you can afford faction, it will help kill faster, but make sure it's worth the premium cost.

All in all, the loki CAN work for solo work, and for fleets it's actually very useful as it can buzz around in it's best range while others are tanking. when i use a projectile ship for WH, i Prefer the Sleipnir myself. Similar tactics to the loki, but bigger buffers on everything. 750+ DPS and a 650 DPs tank on mine, though it still suffers the range issue, same as the Loki. It's nice for fleets though.



This dude knows whats up.

My advice is to get an arty sleipnir BTW - it just works better than the loki fits.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.