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Dev Blog: No Honor Among Thieves - Siphon Units in Rubicon

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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#501 - 2013-10-17 23:24:54 UTC
See, we are the Babe Ruth of EVE

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Khoul Ay'd
The Affiliation
#502 - 2013-10-17 23:25:08 UTC
I can't believe I'm doing this but...I'm with the Goons on this! Shocked Sure, its easy for small time operators to go, "Ha-ha, Goons gonna lose iskies!" (In reality probably not) So, "Khoul," you say, "why so sad?"

It's this post from CCP SoniClover that disturbs me. "...One of which could go for alchemy..." This begs the question, what are the other other siphons going to target -- POS Fuels, invention components, blueprints, construction components, boosters?

There are plenty of small time operators running a single to a few POSes. If the siphons I imagined come around the small time POS operator is history. I think we have our, 'first they came for the _____' moment.

So there you have it, a carebear at heart has sided with the Goons. You have been warned.Shocked

The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#503 - 2013-10-17 23:25:12 UTC
Klyith wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:

you know goons should stop putting thier alts in GSF... that way you can post with a npc alt so people will take you seriously...

so please dont post with your main.

We prefer to post with our real GS characters. We do it so that when we're right, we can be openly smug about how right we were.


Especially when we post about things that are stupidly abusable, which we go on to abuse to the maximum extent possible, and everyone else complains grrr Goons. "We told you so" smug is the best smug.


touche.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#504 - 2013-10-17 23:26:13 UTC
Aryth wrote:
See, we are the Babe Ruth of EVE


interesting because everyone wishes you were lou gehrig...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#505 - 2013-10-17 23:27:42 UTC
Khoul Ay'd wrote:
I can't believe I'm doing this but...I'm with the Goons on this! Shocked Sure, its easy for small time operators to go, "Ha-ha, Goons gonna lose iskies!" (In reality probably not) So, "Khoul," you say, "why so sad?"

It's this post from CCP SoniClover that disturbs me. "...One of which could go for alchemy..." This begs the question, what are the other other siphons going to target -- POS Fuels, invention components, blueprints, construction components, boosters?

There are plenty of small time operators running a single to a few POSes. If the siphons I imagined come around the small time POS operator is history. I think we have our, 'first they came for the _____' moment.

So there you have it, a carebear at heart has sided with the Goons. You have been warned.Shocked


i know i did it too... i feel like lady macbeth who cant get that damn spot out.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#506 - 2013-10-17 23:30:23 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:

by removing the 20% base loss this will remove the bulk of the problem.


That won't remove the problem. It may, MAY mitigate it somewhat, but even that isn't very likely. No, to fix this all you would need to do is limit the number of siphons per POS to just one. If that happens, it will revert back to its original purpose.. as a tool for the little guy to use against the big guy. Sure, the big guy can still use it, but the interaction would be a much more equal ground.

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander
Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#507 - 2013-10-17 23:32:28 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
i know i did it too... i feel like lady macbeth who cant get that damn spot out.



Nought's had, all's spent,
Where our desire is got without content;
'Tis safer to be that which we destroy
Than by destruction dwell in doubtful joy.
Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#508 - 2013-10-17 23:34:14 UTC
For the illiterates, that line's from Macbeth. That's a Shakespeare joint. It's about how when you get your way it's not always the happy celebration you think it is.

Sort of like how the "raar goons hate it so I must love it" are going to feel. Only they won't post that in iambic.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#509 - 2013-10-17 23:41:38 UTC
Courthouse wrote:
That's a Shakespeare joint.

The Bard should be careful where he has his joint it is still illegal federally :ohdear:

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Kropotkin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#510 - 2013-10-17 23:46:03 UTC
Aryth wrote:
... Size doesn't matter. Organization does. ...

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Khador Vess
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#511 - 2013-10-17 23:46:09 UTC
Laendra wrote:
It gives me great pleasure to see how retardedly stupid that many of the posters on this topic are.

The big players in Goonswarm are pointing out obvious flaws in the design of this "feature". Everyone assumes that it will result in Goonswarm tears about lost income, boo hoo hoo.

What you retards fail to understand, is that if CCP continues to go down this path, with this terribly implemented feature, that we are going to use our vast infrastructure and playerbase to DECIMATE moon production everywhere in EVE....for everyone.

You all thought the Threadnaught was bad, lol, you have no ******* clue.

As for CCP. Really, the API is going to LIE now? What's the ******* point? Who the **** thought that was a good idea? Are you all ******* morons now? Is there anyone at CCP with a ******* brain anymore?


I hope you enjoy a break from the forums... seem like posting here is not good for you

If the API worked any differently than CCP is proposing, then POS owners will have a great big alarm bell going off as soon as someone sets up a siphon completely defeating the usefulness of this module. This change starts to break up the ability of large alliances to passively grab isk for no effort (ok little effort, because fueling POS towers is damn hard).

if you want the passive income with no effort then you take the side order of **** sandwich thats being served with it. Occupy the space you can patrol and own effectively or accept that people are going to come along and pee in your pool while your not looking.

What i would like to know is if the owner of these modules will be able to be identified easily? i.e. can i right click and select show info and see the little picture of the person who anchored the little bugger? I hope not that would be even better as you would need to wait around and see who comes to pick up the siphons contents then
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#512 - 2013-10-17 23:46:20 UTC
Orakkus wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:

by removing the 20% base loss this will remove the bulk of the problem.


That won't remove the problem. It may, MAY mitigate it somewhat, but even that isn't very likely. No, to fix this all you would need to do is limit the number of siphons per POS to just one. If that happens, it will revert back to its original purpose.. as a tool for the little guy to use against the big guy. Sure, the big guy can still use it, but the interaction would be a much more equal ground.


ok so then reduce to one (of each size) per pos and add my idea for the 3% reduction in the waste amount per level and we are ok?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Atomic Option
NO Tax FAT Stacks
#513 - 2013-10-17 23:47:49 UTC
I wonder how opinions on these would change if having one in your cargohold prevented your cloak from operating.

Instead of covops/T2 industrials, you'd probably see them dropped mostly by warp stabbed interceptors...
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#514 - 2013-10-17 23:49:18 UTC
Burseg Sardaukar wrote:
CtrlAltDelete Dethahal wrote:
I am spending every ISK I own on these and will unleash madness on lowsec moon empires.

Get ready kids, Goons have a new feature to abuse Twisted


K. We live and play in our space and will just blow them up shortly after they are dropped.


+1 for my CEO. You'll see my name on those mails, too.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#515 - 2013-10-17 23:50:13 UTC
Atomic Option wrote:
I wonder how opinions on these would change if having one in your cargohold prevented your cloak from operating.

Instead of covops/T2 industrials, you'd probably see them dropped mostly by warp stabbed interceptors...

But that would keep the most deserving individuals from maximizing their potential. A pox on you for suggesting that the providers be regulated in such a way.
Cockaigne
Doomheim
#516 - 2013-10-17 23:51:52 UTC
Vatek wrote:
Making these 20m3 in size and having no limit on how many can be placed on one tower is a horrible design decision. One pilot in a blockade runner could seed a nullsec region with hundreds of these and shut down all moon mining income until the owners of the towers show up to pos gun them all to death.

Then they can just go get more and do it again and again and again.


You say that like it's a bad thing... Big smile
Kropotkin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#517 - 2013-10-17 23:52:02 UTC
Sasha Angelis wrote:

Reading the blog: There is no anchoring/onlining time.
Warp in.
Rightclick > Deploy
Warp out.

5s at max. POS modules take much longer to lock in frigates.

I wonder: could you do something with smartbombs? cloaky smartbomber(s) around siphon, waiting for harvester to drop in...
CtrlAltDelete Dethahal
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#518 - 2013-10-17 23:52:12 UTC
One of two things is going to happen in goons or possibly both:

1: Subsidized or free Siphons for tormenting people
2: Bounties for killing them in goon territory

I run a bunch of POSs and I'm excited about the tears and isk this will generate. I'll take the occasional loss to them.

Hell I will bankroll newbies to fly around with these.

It will become, as our finance gurus have been saying all thread, something people will regret CCP put in the game.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#519 - 2013-10-17 23:59:35 UTC
Siphon from CSAAs, steal titan bits.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Khoul Ay'd
The Affiliation
#520 - 2013-10-18 00:06:22 UTC
Cockaigne wrote:
Vatek wrote:
Making these 20m3 in size and having no limit on how many can be placed on one tower is a horrible design decision. One pilot in a blockade runner could seed a nullsec region with hundreds of these and shut down all moon mining income until the owners of the towers show up to pos gun them all to death.

Then they can just go get more and do it again and again and again.


You say that like it's a bad thing... Big smile


Right, because we all know Tech2 climbing through the roof is good for everyone Roll

The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it