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That's awesome dude

Okay, go on. But a lot of goons in this topic, many populist phrases like "We can double all the T2 ship prices",
are telling that siphons can cause some problems for goons.

Do it with your alt and scout with your spy.

yes in the very very very long run... perhaps after two years.

but remember goons had a monoploy on high end minerals for a long long time... and they knew that thier tech would be nerfed so they more then likely bought up huge stockpiles of r64 that i would guess can last just alone for 1-2 years.

so yes in the long run this is bad for goons... but from thier stated plans... they will make enough money from this now to cover themselves for perhaps 2 more years on top of that...

It gives me great pleasure to see how retardedly stupid that many of the posters on this topic are.

The big players in Goonswarm are pointing out obvious flaws in the design of this "feature". Everyone assumes that it will result in Goonswarm tears about lost income, boo hoo hoo.

What you retards fail to understand, is that if CCP continues to go down this path, with this terribly implemented feature, that we are going to use our vast infrastructure and playerbase to DECIMATE moon production everywhere in EVE....for everyone.

You all thought the Threadnaught was bad, lol, you have no ******* clue.

As for CCP. Really, the API is going to LIE now? What's the ******* point? Who the **** thought that was a good idea? Are you all ******* morons now? Is there anyone at CCP with a ******* brain anymore?

That just makes it even more meaningless. The API doesn't need to stream static data that is available in the database. If the (semi-live) data export system does not export (semi-live) data, it might as well be removed since it no longer serves any purpose.

Especially since I don't really see any adequately explained reason why the data should be incorrect to begin with. Ok, so they don't want players to be able to use the APi to detect siphoning. Why? What's the design goal here? What's the gameplay they want to create?

Is it to make people patrol their space? Then just remove the data stream entirely and make it mandatory.
Is it to provide a window of opportunity? Then just expand the pre-existing window.
Is it to alter the balance between entities? Then just remove the data stream entirely, since the same (not actual) rebalance will happen.

Either way, feeding the system bad data only makes the system pointless — it does absolutely nothing else, but does it more inefficiently and stupidly than any of the alternative solutions.

If your idea of a good game is rampant price manipulation, barriers for entry for new pilots being much larger and the richest, most entrenched nullsec entities getting richer, then go hog wild.

Personally I'd rather see bad ideas fixed before release, lower barriers for entry and some sort of existential threat to ourselves and some of the other nullsec old bloods.

The sort of binary logic that anything someone in Goonswarm doesn't like must be good is problematic, not the least of reasons why being that we also pay subscriptions or PLEX for this game and it's in our vested interest that it not be overly boring or troublesome to play.

so what i see is a module that has been designed from the ground up by someone who wants to break the will of many people who has to deal with terrible game mechanics to deal with POS's, moon mining, reactions and t2 production.

i would suggest which ever CCP Dev that is, contact your resident Eve economist guru Dr. Eyjo Gudmundsson, and ask him how such a module will affect Eve from an economic level. ill let him b*tch slap u back to where u belong.

The numbers decided upon im certain were dreamt up from the view of the aggressor, not taking into account how insanely OP they are. as unforgiven storm says, the compression ratio is insane, the siphoning amount is insane (especially considering this is meant to be the SMALL version) and the cost is insanely small for their power. The fact its undetectable from an API standpoint is also OP.


The whole point that i got from the original announcement about this is to be able to punish POS owners who DON'T take care of their POS's. |If you dont take care of it, chances are u dont have dedicated programs and spreadsheets working to alert you and to crunch all the calculations u need to stay sane running POS's. So the idea of masking the siphoning from the API is ridiculous imho.

if you're the aggressor using this mod, you're trying to capitalise on the response time of the owner(s)... right??
The actual POS owner(s) has to do something to respond to any API alert they receive right?
Its like suddently some people believe POS owners run vast automated botting groups to protect their POS's.

People complaining about programmes made by people will insta alert possible siphoning seem to think that the response time is always going to be immediate. This is generally not the case, and where it is the case is most likely a POS thats used for other things than just mining/reactions. So its unlikely you'll generate anything from it anyway.


Alternatively look at it from an RP perspective...

A 20m3 module that costs 10 mil can within an hour breach the hardened shields of a structure costing between 6x and 26x its cost and extract items. Something that a full 250 man fleet dedicated to that action cannot do in 10's of hours of play (including reinforcement period). it can also reconfigure data systems of the structure and rewrite data logs to mask its actions but wont touch things like onlining/offlining systems and POS shield harmonics cause u know, who'd want to breach those things!


the whole things stupidly short sighted in initial implementation both in a game mechanics sense and in RP sense and seems to be vastly unbalanced in favour of the aggressors. sort it out.

you know goons should stop putting thier alts in GSF... that way you can post with a npc alt so people will take you seriously...

so please dont post with your main.

We prefer to post with our real GS characters. We do it so that when we're right, we can be openly smug about how right we were.


Especially when we post about things that are stupidly abusable, which we go on to abuse to the maximum extent possible, and everyone else complains grrr Goons. "We told you so" smug is the best smug.