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REPORT: Wreckage of Heth’s escort found in Hakonen

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-10-17 21:26:31 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
Tibus Heth has been on the run for months -- if he still has access to anything important to Caldari security, it is a criminal dereliction of duty on the part of the State's various security agencies. While the Sansha's having access to his addled mind is somewhat frustrating for those of us who would rather see him suffer the wrath of Caldari justice, this should not pose any greater danger to the State than Heth already did before; certainly less danger than when he was actually "in charge".

This is yet another case where the State's decentralized security apparatus serves us well; while he may have had access to classified data from Kaalakiota or even the Navy, I suppose, the vast majority of our security forces, under the auspices of the seven other megacorporations, should have little or no exposure due to this rather embarrassing failure on the part of the Caldari Navy. Unlike the Gallente, we are not foolish enough to put all our eggs in one basket.


The Federation took your basket.


Sabik now, Sabik forever

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#42 - 2013-10-17 21:34:02 UTC
I heavily advise outsiders against actions in that Constellation. Opposition to Nation activity is not tolerated. Nation business will conclude in due time. Please wait until the area is "safe" before investigating this...disappearance.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2013-10-17 21:40:43 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
Tibus Heth has been on the run for months -- if he still has access to anything important to Caldari security, it is a criminal dereliction of duty on the part of the State's various security agencies. While the Sansha's having access to his addled mind is somewhat frustrating for those of us who would rather see him suffer the wrath of Caldari justice, this should not pose any greater danger to the State than Heth already did before; certainly less danger than when he was actually "in charge".

This is yet another case where the State's decentralized security apparatus serves us well; while he may have had access to classified data from Kaalakiota or even the Navy, I suppose, the vast majority of our security forces, under the auspices of the seven other megacorporations, should have little or no exposure due to this rather embarrassing failure on the part of the Caldari Navy. Unlike the Gallente, we are not foolish enough to put all our eggs in one basket.


The Federation took your basket.




And I believe that Repentance Tyrathlion bought yours. We all managed to find new ones, so what of it?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-10-17 21:47:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
Unlike the Gallente, we are not foolish enough to put all our eggs in one basket.


Except for the past five years, you did. Tibus Heth has been the de facto dictator of your nation, especially regarding the military. Corporate wise, he has extensive knowledge of patriot bloc megacorps and virtually everything regarding Kaalakoita.

The fall of Tibus Heth reveals the hubris behind Caldari nationalism. In an effort to become better than us, you only proved you are no more fallible than we are.

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Xadiran
Moira.
#45 - 2013-10-17 21:50:52 UTC
This is seriously not the time or place for Caldari / Gallente squabbling.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#46 - 2013-10-17 21:52:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Julianus Soter
Xadiran wrote:
This is seriously not the time or place for Caldari / Gallente squabbling.


Agreed with my colleague. This situation impacts every corner of the Cluster.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2013-10-17 22:16:56 UTC
Agreeing with the gentlemen from Moira. About the only thing we can agree on without serious thought and thumbscrews is that Heth needs to be brought either to justice or an expedient end.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Xadiran
Moira.
#48 - 2013-10-17 22:31:29 UTC
I just worry, if he has been taken by the Sansha now, both of those may be out of reach, Pieter.

I suppose being made a Slave is a terrible punishment on its own, but I definitely would have preferred to see him in front of a Caldari tribunal.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#49 - 2013-10-17 22:43:17 UTC
Xadiran wrote:
The Caldari Navy should scrub the interior of the ships for nanite debris. If the Sansha boarded, they more than likely used those paralyzing nanites they use planetside. Would explain the lack of bodies, though the size of a Raven may have limited their invasiveness, hence the firefights.


Without commenting on the remainder, a closed, controlled environment is significantly harder to contaminate. Nanites are often extremely delicate on the individual level, not unlike a virus. Deviation from the viable environmental range of the virus -- or nanite -- will cause rapid failure. Often, nanite laboratories use containment procedures not unlike biohazard containment facilities; negative air pressure, heat and EM treatment of air are all methods of maintaining containment. Naturally, researchers are in sealed gear with an internal air supply to ensure that they aren't exposed while within the lab.

Aboard a warship, we can expect air treatment or containment of a comparable level; air flow can be regulated, and air treated or countermeasures deployed to limit exposure to nanites. My suspicion is that these nanites aren't self-reproducing, otherwise any planet attacked would need to be quarantined indefinitely after a Sansha attack.

In any case, I suspect that this saga will need more time to unfold.

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Xadiran
Moira.
#50 - 2013-10-17 22:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Xadiran
I like to think I had the same train-of-thought, just in much fewer words. *laughs*

You are, of course, right Makoto. Still, considering how they use these nanites with impunity, I still believe it would be worthwhile to see if any could be found.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#51 - 2013-10-17 22:56:15 UTC
Too verbose for my own good, to be honest.

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Ollie Rundle
#52 - 2013-10-18 01:28:42 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
Tibus Heth has been on the run for months -- if he still has access to anything important to Caldari security, it is a criminal dereliction of duty on the part of the State's various security agencies. While the Sansha's having access to his addled mind is somewhat frustrating for those of us who would rather see him suffer the wrath of Caldari justice, this should not pose any greater danger to the State than Heth already did before; certainly less danger than when he was actually "in charge".

This is yet another case where the State's decentralized security apparatus serves us well; while he may have had access to classified data from Kaalakiota or even the Navy, I suppose, the vast majority of our security forces, under the auspices of the seven other megacorporations, should have little or no exposure due to this rather embarrassing failure on the part of the Caldari Navy. Unlike the Gallente, we are not foolish enough to put all our eggs in one basket.


There's perhaps one thing he may still hold of interest and that's the answer to how a minimal wage factory worker was able to effect what amounts to a nanosecond buyout of Caldari Constructions and then turned that into a rapid overthrow of one of the most politically adept mega-corporate CEOs in the State.

No one's ever been able to follow the money on that deal, to my knowledge.
Ollie Rundle
#53 - 2013-10-18 01:40:17 UTC
As noted by Soter and his Moira colleague, Aivonen is currently a HQ system for the incursion that is progressing in Ishaga constellation. Prior to a fit of overzealous censorship by ISD Ezwal an earlier post of mine had noted that the Caldari Navy have already salvaged the wreckage of the Provist fleet and that no biomass related to it was able to found either.

There are three HQ facilities within the system and two Nation research facilities, along with roaming battlecruiser patrols around the gates. To my knowledge scans of the facilities Nation have established are yet to be carried out.

The system's small and repeated scans of it either by other individual capsuleers or as a co-ordinated effort may reveal something my own scans have not. At present there is minimal pirate or militia activity within the system opening the possibility for a joint action between concerned parties to raid the Nation facilities if a sizeable enough force could be organised.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#54 - 2013-10-18 04:54:23 UTC
Louella Dougans wrote:

Weird abductions might fit with Nation's method of operation, but you have to ask, why would Nation want Heth in particular ? since he's no longer in power. Abducting a current head of state and replacing them with an infiltrator would suit Nation's goals, but Heth isn't a current head of state, and is unlikely to return to power as well.

Detailed information about State security and defense.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2013-10-18 05:43:30 UTC
I wouldn't say DETAILED. Especially not after months of being out of power.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-10-18 06:52:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
Oh, not detailed, everything is fine then.

Say, the Nation could have picked up any guy from the street and they would stand to gain the same amount of information as plugging a probe into Mr. Heth. Or not.

Trying to underplay the importance of the knowledge the late Executor posses, will do us no good when the Nation invade our homes, I say. This situation demands the CEP to call for an emergency meeting.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-10-18 11:31:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Heth's information will, as several people have pointed out, be months out of date. Passcodes, identification manifests, file access priviledges, contact details, troop deployments, specific personnel assignments, the organisation of subordinates and superiors in various institutions within the State - these will all have changed significantly since Heth was deposed by the CEP.

What will not have changed - cannot have changed - in such a small time span is the organisation of the State's military, the strategies and tactics by which it operates, the methods its intelligence agencies use to gather information. This information is just as valuable - perhaps even more valuable - than access codes or identity manifests. Think of it like this: for a living, I research, design and build starships for the capsuleer market. I can't tell you the root password to each individual ship's mainframe because that automatically changes whenever a new capsuleer enters it. But I can tell you where to shoot it and what to shoot it with, how its engines perform, how fast it turns, what sort of equipment it's likely to be carrying and - with a little bit of information on the current pilot and the variables of the engagement - I can give you an educated guess on how effective it's going to be in a fight.

If he felt inclined (or compelled) to share what he knows with a hostile power, Heth might not be able to ruin the State (he was doing a much better job of that himself when he was in power, anyway) but by all the gods and spirits he could give someone the tools to do some very, very serious damage to it. He was in charge of the State for five whole years - experience like that doesn't magically become irrelevant because he's been out of the loop a few months.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-10-18 11:51:10 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
I heavily advise outsiders against actions in that Constellation. Opposition to Nation activity is not tolerated. Nation business will conclude in due time. Please wait until the area is "safe" before investigating this...disappearance.


Look, you, hellish spawn!
Return what you took from us, or all your spawnlings, your stations, your planets, families and filthy offsprings will burn! And you won't be allowed to die, until you have something to burn! Only when you will lose everything, you will be burnt as well.
If only one hair will fall from head of Tibus Heth, head of your beloved Kuvakei will be displayed on a pike to all freaking cluster!
Is it clear?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#59 - 2013-10-18 12:04:48 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I wouldn't say DETAILED. Especially not after months of being out of power.


He knows the personnel, he knows their private records, their family connections. There's far more to intel than a few passwords and safety protocols.


There's a lot of information in Heth's possession for anyone looking to bribe, blackmail or essentially ransom the higher ups.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#60 - 2013-10-18 12:06:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
I heavily advise outsiders against actions in that Constellation. Opposition to Nation activity is not tolerated. Nation business will conclude in due time. Please wait until the area is "safe" before investigating this...disappearance.


Look, you, hellish spawn!
Return what you took from us, or all your spawnlings, your stations, your planets, families and filthy offsprings will burn! And you won't be allowed to die, until you have something to burn! Only when you will lose everything, you will be burnt as well.
If only one hair will fall from head of Tibus Heth, head of your beloved Kuvakei will be displayed on a pike to all freaking cluster!
Is it clear?


While I can't exactly agree with her motives for such action, I applaud her zeal for once. Congratulations on finding a more appropriate, and productive, source for your raging violent tendancies, Pilot Kim.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.