EVE General Discussion

===================EDIT: 11 Nov 2013=================================

Well, I decided not to try it out all after some much further thought on the subject. My classmate was beginning to come across a bit fanboyish and even went as far as telling me that Eve Online is beginning to lose a lot of money as is likely to close done one day. When I asked him for the source of this information, he referred me to an E2GAMING.com website which is basically just a forum where many players from different games come to critic the game they use to play from what he described to me. I tried looking it up but the website seems to have problem loading. Even a Google search turned out empty showing me the same broken link.

Then here is the kicker. Wait for it!

He said that in that website, many players were leaving Eve Online and joining WoW because they haven't received any new content in the past 6 months. WTF? Isn't that the norm? I mean, we already know that updates come once every 6 months anyways. But it seems some players don't like to wait that long for Eve. /facepalm

That's it. I'm not gonna bother with WoW. If this is how WoW players are these days, I don't want any part of it lest I end up becoming like this one classmate of mine.

==================ORIGINAL POST=========================

Last night I was in class and had a discussion with a classmate who is a dedicated World of Warcraft player. Since we were both MMO players in general we often shared tidbits about how things are going in our sides of the MMO worlds. All was fun and good until we started talking about the play style of both games and how good they are in relation to each other. He was even trying to convince me to try WoW for once. I'll take him up on the offer and try the free trial myself just to see first hand how it compares to Eve Online.

Anyways, apparently this guy finds it stupid that there is no leveling system in Eve and that there are only skill books to train up. He also found it completely lame that if you leave your ship unattended in space someone else (who has the skills to pilot it) can hop into it and jack it from right under your nose. He also didn't like the idea that in Eve Online, our culture is basically the equivalent of a Momma Bird kicking the Baby Bird off the nest to see if it flies. Adapt or Die.

When talking about his game, it seems that whatever ride you have (he calls them "mounts") simply disappears into thin air as soon as dismount from it anywhere in the realms. And apparently each realm has their own separate economy that are so isolated that often times WoW players don't bother with transferring assets between realms due to a heavy tax burden or too many restrictions. At the very least, he said that WoW's economy is about as good and healthy as the Eve economy (I almost chuckled).

To counter his point about the economies of both games, I showed him an article posted on Forbes.com that was posted in December of 2012 saying that Eve Online so far has the best economy there is in the MMO market. But then he dismissed the article as "completely false" by looking at how many subscribers are in WoW (about 2 million or so) compared to Eve (500,000+) saying that WoW is better just because it has more subscribers.

It seems to me this guy is closed minded.

I was under the impression that the only reason Eve Online has so few numbers in terms of subscribers in relation to WoW is because the vast majority of MMO players are just too soft or weak minded to handle Eve Online's cut-throat culture. Many newcomers to Eve tend to leave because they are shocked at how violent the universe is over here. You can be scammed out of your hard-earned ISK, suicide ganked in a supposedly safe area of space, suffer at the hands of a monopoly or an oligopoly, get caught in low-sec and ransomed for no reason, and anyone can slap a bounty on you just for making a bad post on the forums, etc. In other words, people die nobody cries. That was the impression I had as to the reason for this.

Yet somehow Eve Online is thriving. Not through subscription numbers but through the community, the economy, and vast flexibility that it offers.

But I guess I should start reserving my opinion on WoW until I try it out for myself for once. This guy is kind enough to offer me help with going through many things in the game and I like to try it out. If I don't like it, I'll be back to Eve before you know it. Even if I do like it, I might not dedicate myself to WoW as much as I do with Eve considering how much I have gotten use to the Eve culture.

As if I didn't run into someone who disagreed with me about anything?

Eve is a singular experience. There isn't anything else quite like it, and it isn't for everyone. Most of all, it stubbornly defies comparison.

There once was a space game called EVE.
Which was harder than you could believe.
Fools came from WOW,
"I'm quiting!", they'd vow.
Can I have your stuffs when you leave?

It's rather less now. WoW is bleeding subs at a very rapid rate.

never played it, can't comment.

repeat after me.

Played both WoW and EVE for years...

Most of us have played WoW, but are ashamed to admit it!

Both games have their merits, but EVE is much...much better and a lot more complicated then WoW will ever be!

Until EVE reaches 1 million subs and CCP grows accustomed to that income...

I played WoW for a short while, managing to level someone up to lvl 32. It was...Ok, at least until I got so utterly bored of the grind and the repetitive nature of the PvE, that I uninstalled it. I tried it again a few months back and spent a whole two hours before the boredom kicked in again. It's a 'safe' game. Even if you managed to get ganked by wandering into the wrong area, you'll never lose anything. Eve is an MMO with the safety rails off, populated by the sort of people who like to bend you over and shaft you without offering to lube up first. It's an intriguing affair of always being on the edge because you never know what's waiting for you through the next gate.


Sometimes you can feel totally alone in an empty corner of null as you go exploring, and other times you can be cowering in a safe in low, praying that the roaming 20 person fleet doesn't have a combat prober in there somewhere. You can get the ultimate high and adrenaline rush of going toe to toe with another player, and get the horrible lurching feeling as you jump into the mother of all gate camps. Basically the scope of experience within Eve is much large in my opinion, and no two days ever end up alike if you're a regular player. Yes, there's grind elements to it in earning ISK, but even those can be subverted via escalations or going outside your comfort zone to try something new.


WoW? It will forever coddle you, pat you and tell you it's all going to be good. Eve on the other hand will urinate over your cold corpse whilst laughing it's arse off.

Last investor call said the loss were slowing down linked most likely to the last 2 patches. The one before that was putting the number at 9,6 mill. Even if we make thier slower loss at 3,6 million, it would still be 12 time as big as EVE.

You can't compare the 2 games directly because they are not really similar. All PVP feature in WoW are actaully tacked on feature since release. The game was not meant to be a PVP game. The relevant content in WoW is the PvE experience and that is easyly way ahead of EVE in term of quality.

If the 2 games had the same goal, you could compare them but the very philosophy and core of the games are different.

Red fruits is what I like so apples > oranges. The bias is clear one way or another when people compare both game.