EVE General Discussion

They aren't.

Scrubs might be, but it's nothing to do with character age.

you mean, like losing skill hardwirings?

i wouldn't even say it's the cost, more the inconvenience.

Isn't that around the price of a single +3 learning implants for a 120M clone? Looks like the clone cost is low compared to what I would expect vets to have wired in thier head...

Reducing clone costs was a mistake, that cost had to be raised. Medical clone costs for high SP players are pennies. It's only part of the trend to reduce/remove death penalities in EVE.

Some of you need to really understand the scaling costs of clone upgrades.

First of all the cost becomes more and more dramatic the higher it goes. Look at each clone level and do some math to see how many skill points are covered with each ISK.

For the beta clone (we will call this level 2), you get 49.29 skill points covered for every ISK spent on the clone. The amount of skills covered slowly starts to drop. The higher and higher you go with the clones you really start to see a difference. At the 14th level, you are getting 15.67 skills covered per ISK. Big difference. Now look at where some of the older players are at, level 20. You only have 4.95 skills covered per ISK. So basically the value of the ISK is only 10% compared to level 2.

Now before some of you start to go on about how older players can make ISK easier, it really does start to plateaus sooner than you think. Do you honestly believe an older player with 100 million skill points can run a mission twice as fast as a player with 50 million skill points? Also you need to toss out the 1% players who are ultra rich, not everyone is making ISK hand over fist. You need to think about the average player.

Sure if you remove clone upgrade costs and change no other mechanics in regards to how death cloning works, yes it will be abused. But, that there is various ways to keep that from happening and well worth the dev time in developing it. Losing your ship, modules fit, cargo inside and the implants in your head is punishment enough and still keeps EVE light years into the 'hard core' scene of MMO's.

Punishing the players for being loyal customers is just terrible game design. Not to mention it encourages risk averse behavior to a point where all those ships, modules, cargo and implants are not put in harms way at all. Resulting in no pew pew of any kind.

sure lets all be mortal again. sign up for hello kitty online while we're at it.

This is probably one of the bigger issues after clone costs, but then if we remove them, what about the hardwirings?

Thank you for this Marlona. I doubt it will do very much to convince those who have it in their mind that were all wrong on this issue, but this does indeed help drive the point.

Now add up 5 pod deaths a day, every day, 365 times a year... Chump change right?

Clueless and wielding numbers = dangerous creature

You are forcing people to stop pvping after a loss and go generate isk by running missions here.

The idea is to keep them logged in, engaged in the game and pvping in affordable ships as long as possible.