Intergalactic Summit

There's a lot of Caldari who won't. Tibus wasn't born into the executive life, something so many pulling the strings now did. His views are shared on much of the underpopulation of the State.

There's many who relate to him, though we call him a monster by majority.

To not recognize that is to inspire the same brewing hate that Tibus Heth was empowered by, ultimately causing him (even if not the same man) to surface again later.

Thread carefully, I'd rethink all of your approaches... especially with Diana Kim.

I was curious when and how the story of Tibus Heth would end... it has been something of an ongoing saga.

While we all know for sure that Admiral Yanala was a capsuleer and on her return to Caldari space she sufferred a fitting end... Is Heth a Capsuleer as well?

If he is, then the story isn't quite over yet. I have to admit though he's chosen a rather roundabout way of getting back into Caldari hands!

So do the Caldari believe in trials or do they all like to sit around and drink tea?

To describe Admiral Yanala's end as fitting is a gross distortion of the truth and an insult to the memory of someone who served the State in a manner reminiscent of the finest traditions of Tovil-Toba's navy.

The former Executor was not, I believe, compatible with the capsule.

There are numerous forms of trial in the State, from simple rulings by experts in jurisprudence to tribunals before a panel. The idea of assembling a 'jury' of unqualified and unsuitable person to rule on a matter is, however, not common in the State.

It's been mentioned a few times yes that it can be a setup to frame someone else and/or throw suspicions off. Keep in mind there's no trace of the crew either, wich does make it more curious as that steps up the effort.

So until we know more, keep up your guard... Could even be Heth himself and his fleetcrew who created these wrecks to get themselves officially labeled 'dead/missing'. Kay that was my take on the crazy theory part.

It might be best to keep in mind that the majority of weapons used currently in New Eden are energy based, and traditionally associated with :

- Amarr
- Ammatar
- Blood Raiders
- Sansha
- A lot of mercenaries
- Jove / SoCT
- SOE
- Rogue Drones
- Sleepers

Some more unlikely than others considering the context here.

I have removed some post regarding software problems. Those in comparison minuscule problems have no place in a discussion about the real topic at hand.

And suddenly, Heth clones, multiple Blooder Heth Clones.

I doubt that.


In ACTUAL news, nobody seems to have picked up the fact that we are currently fighting against an incursion by Sansha forces in the Ishaga constellation, Aivonon included.

If the Provist forces tried to hide there...well, I think we all know what happens when the Sansha take prisoners. I'd say any that died in the struggle would are the lucky ones.

We can't rule out the possibility he escaped, but it doesn't look good for Heth now.

Edit: Posted this mere seconds after Soter

The lack of bodies is probably the key piece of evidence here. For so many ships to be destroyed and not a single survivor or corpse to be floating around is really perplexing. I'd imagine that Blood Raiders and Sansha would only take live prisoners and I highly doubt a battle like that can take place and have everyone survive. The ships could of been destroyed after Heth surrendered but then again, Heth probably wouldn't surrender, at least not without fighting it out for a bit.

Of course there could be some collaboration/conspiracy in play where Heth and his men were picked up by whatever party they've buddied up with and had the ships destroyed once they were safely on board. So keeping all of this in mind, lets look at the potential suspects as Ms. Farel pointed them out.

Amarr/Ammatar: Helping Heth would be political suicide and absolutely destroy Empire-State relations, I highly doubt the Empire has something to do with this. If the Empire fought Heth's fleet and annihilated I'm quite certain they would report it.

Bloodraiders: Unlikely, the Blood Raiders have no business in Black Rise so that shoots down both the potential conflict and collaboration.

Sansha: Sansha destroying Heth's fleet in combat is unlikely, though due to Sansha's tendency to appear in the most random parts of the cluster, and then vanish without a trace, it's a possibility Heth may have fled to the Nation. This would certainly be a very interesting development.

Mercenaries: Mercs killing off Heth's fleet is unlikely as news of their victory would spread after they receive payment for finishing the madman off. Whichever mercenary group killed Heth would certainly advertise it as it would give them a lot of business. Heth using mercs to cover up his trail seems to be something that would be plausible. Though I doubt he has enough cash on him to pay mercenaries off.

Jove/SOCT: I wouldn't consider the Jove a possibility mainly because of the almost mythical nature about them. Unless there are signs of Jove or SOCT activity, then it's best not to delve into this possibility. Let's not turn this investigation into an episode of "Ancient Jovians" shall we?

SOE: I don't know much about the SOE, but I doubt they would be actively hunting down a fugitive and I doubt Heth would be working with them.

Rogue Drones: Impossible, a rogue drone attack would certainly leave behind bodies and would have to take place within a reasonable distance of a drone hive. (I think I got that transposition error fixed by the way)

Sleepers: Has any wormhole activity been detected? If not I would say this is impossible as well.

Independent Capsuleer(s): A bit of a wildcard, but possible collaboration.

None of the above: This was all an elaborate ruse and none of these groups are responsible.

Considering what we have to work with, I will have to say that either Sansha or a Mercenary group are collaborating with Heth. Either that or we are being duped. Until more evidence arises I will lean towards these theories.

The Caldari Navy should scrub the interior of the ships for nanite debris. If the Sansha boarded, they more than likely used those paralyzing nanites they use planetside. Would explain the lack of bodies, though the size of a Raven may have limited their invasiveness, hence the firefights.

If Sansha presence is confirmed, then they might now have access to all the intricate knowledge Heth may have posessed about the State's defenses.

This is a serious situation, not just for the State. If Sansha is allowed to act on any tactical advantage he might have, all four empires may have serious problems on their hands.

Almost 200 years ago, the Empires collaborated to destroy Sansha. Something tells me we might just have to again.