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Cargo and teleporters
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Jerox Dekara
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#1 - 2011-11-17 06:17:53 UTC
How is cargo on ships transferred to other vessels? Does it have to be unloaded? Is it teleported into the other cargo bay? Or something else entirely...
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-17 06:23:09 UTC
Well, I know its a different universe, but in Star Trek, they can transport **** from ship to ship and that takes place, what, 200 years from our time. EVE is 27,000 years in the future. If they can teleport your mind from one clone to the next, Im sure they teleport some Antimatter ammo from ship to ship.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#3 - 2011-11-17 06:23:27 UTC
Jerox Dekara wrote:
How is cargo on ships transferred to other vessels? Does it have to be unloaded? Is it teleported into the other cargo bay? Or something else entirely...


how do you mean?

like how does a mission npc give or take cargo?

how do you give something to someone in space?

or like in a game universe sense and you want the fictional details?
(don't hope for much in that department, moon harvesters have a big claw that waves around nowhere near the moon...)
Jerox Dekara
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2011-11-17 06:28:16 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Jerox Dekara wrote:
How is cargo on ships transferred to other vessels? Does it have to be unloaded? Is it teleported into the other cargo bay? Or something else entirely...


how do you mean?

like how does a mission npc give or take cargo?

how do you give something to someone in space?

or like in a game universe sense and you want the fictional details?
(don't hope for much in that department, moon harvesters have a big claw that waves around nowhere near the moon...)


Um, yeah, I'm just interested in the fictional details. I mean non-fictional details. EVE is real.
Uninhabited
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-17 06:42:18 UTC
its below 2500m, its average minute in warp and its 24h cooldown on jump clones..

..because of skinner box
Jerox Dekara
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#6 - 2011-11-17 06:46:56 UTC
Uninhabited wrote:
its below 2500m, its average minute in warp and its 24h cooldown on jump clones..

..because of skinner box


Not sure what youre saying here but my question is "how do things get transported cargo hold to cargo hold in the EVE universe, story-wise"
Ipyr
Divided Unity
#7 - 2011-11-17 07:30:45 UTC
Jet Cans?
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-11-17 07:35:31 UTC
Teleporters are fake and have no place in EVE.

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Quinc4623
Space Explorers Federation
#9 - 2011-11-17 07:48:31 UTC
Presumably each ship has a cheap but sophisticated system of small tractor beams with a range of 2,500 meters hidden behind your cargo bay doors. Like the high-powered tractor beams, the mass of the target makes little difference. Next to it is a jetcan constructor and a system for organizing your cargo bay in a matter of seconds.

I've never read anything where anything besides a spaceship is sent through a wormhole.

Remember that when you move between clones, your memories and personality is turned into digital data, and moved through a specialized version of the faster than light communications network. No actual stuff is moved, just data. Hopefully the download manager for your immortal soul is relatively error free.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#10 - 2011-11-17 14:08:24 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Teleporters are fake and have no place in EVE.


Except to move you from star system to star system of course...
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-11-17 14:18:53 UTC
Jerox Dekara wrote:
Uninhabited wrote:
its below 2500m, its average minute in warp and its 24h cooldown on jump clones..

..because of skinner box


Not sure what youre saying here but my question is "how do things get transported cargo hold to cargo hold in the EVE universe, story-wise"



I've always thought of it as simply lining the cargo bay doors up, and giving the cargo a good shove, probably with small scale tractor beams. Since there is no appreciable friction in space to slow it down, and you have to be in a relatively short distance to transfer things, its fairly easy to get stuff from one bay to another this way.

It happens instantly simply for gameplay purposes. If this were real, it would understandably take longer, and the pilot (you) would be more involved.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-11-17 14:23:24 UTC
Nanobots did it.

(You can use this to explain pretty much anything in EVE, actually)
Boadicea Wales
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-17 14:28:26 UTC
The crafty elves do it. If you put a shell to your ear you can hear the sea, you accept this and never question it. Also you wake up on a Christmas morning and there are lots of presants at the foot of your bed.

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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2011-11-17 14:39:46 UTC
Quinc4623 wrote:
Presumably each ship has a cheap but sophisticated system of small tractor beams with a range of 2,500 meters hidden behind your cargo bay doors. Like the high-powered tractor beams, the mass of the target makes little difference. Next to it is a jetcan constructor and a system for organizing your cargo bay in a matter of seconds.


I am going with this

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Jerox Dekara
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#15 - 2011-11-18 06:02:15 UTC
Boadicea Wales wrote:
The crafty elves do it. If you put a shell to your ear you can hear the sea, you accept this and never question it. Also you wake up on a Christmas morning and there are lots of presants at the foot of your bed.

Some times things are best left as they are and never questioned.....Roll


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Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#16 - 2011-11-18 07:42:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Astrid Stjerna
Montevius Williams wrote:
Well, I know its a different universe, but in Star Trek, they can transport **** from ship to ship and that takes place, what, 200 years from our time. EVE is 27,000 years in the future. If they can teleport your mind from one clone to the next, Im sure they teleport some Antimatter ammo from ship to ship.



Well....yes, and no.

The mind of a capsuleer isn't 'teleported', the neural patterns are scanned at the moment of death and the clone's brain is 're-trained' from that scan. To actually teleport a human would require a computer that could process 2.0057742×1045 bits worth of information (the calculated number of bits in an average human body, and that's just for one person.

(WARNING! Physics discussion incoming!)

Because of various energy-conservation laws, a transporter as we know it would probably be an irreversibly one-way affair; particle accelerators convert energy into subatomic particles, but in a technical sense, it's not possible to 'scoop them up' and build atoms and molecules and so forth. The most we could do is create matter/antimatter pairs, but they'd simply contact matter and convert back to energy.

Long story short: if you teleported anything from one ship to another, it would be a fine subatomic mist on the other side.

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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-11-18 08:05:44 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
To actually teleport a human would require a computer that could process 2.0057742×1045 bits worth of information

Surely you mean 2x10^1045 Big smile
Jerox Dekara
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#18 - 2011-11-19 05:43:16 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Montevius Williams wrote:
Well, I know its a different universe, but in Star Trek, they can transport **** from ship to ship and that takes place, what, 200 years from our time. EVE is 27,000 years in the future. If they can teleport your mind from one clone to the next, Im sure they teleport some Antimatter ammo from ship to ship.



Well....yes, and no.

The mind of a capsuleer isn't 'teleported', the neural patterns are scanned at the moment of death and the clone's brain is 're-trained' from that scan. To actually teleport a human would require a computer that could process 2.0057742×1045 bits worth of information (the calculated number of bits in an average human body, and that's just for one person.

(WARNING! Physics discussion incoming!)

Because of various energy-conservation laws, a transporter as we know it would probably be an irreversibly one-way affair; particle accelerators convert energy into subatomic particles, but in a technical sense, it's not possible to 'scoop them up' and build atoms and molecules and so forth. The most we could do is create matter/antimatter pairs, but they'd simply contact matter and convert back to energy.

Long story short: if you teleported anything from one ship to another, it would be a fine subatomic mist on the other side.


On the other hand, we have no idea what kind of technology and undiscovered laws of physics humanity has that far in the future that could be capable of pulling something like teleportation off. Just think about the jumpgates, aren't they basically giant teleporters?
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#19 - 2011-11-19 07:02:07 UTC
There is mention of cargo drones in some chronicles or short story, which handle moving stuff through space in a controlled manner. Think of a camera drone, just with a clamp instead of a camera and a lot of them moving stuff about like ants in space.

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Vicker Lahn'se
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-11-19 08:06:51 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
There is mention of cargo drones in some chronicles or short story, which handle moving stuff through space in a controlled manner. Think of a camera drone, just with a clamp instead of a camera and a lot of them moving stuff about like ants in space.


It would be really cool if they added a graphical effect so that you see a bunch of little drone things zip from a cargo can to your ship or vise versa just after you transfer an item.
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