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[PIE Inc] Regarding those who question the Empress

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Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#181 - 2013-10-13 15:13:47 UTC
Many would have everyone outside the Amarr Empire think we are a homogenous group of non-thinking religious zealots who question nothing that comes from the Empress. That characterization might well be applicable to themselves and their corp/ alliance but it is not a fair or accurate reading of the Amarr people.

Our faith draws strength from our intelligence, it does not dull it. Amarrians are by nature not prone to accepting the status quo. It was this drive coupled with God's divine destiny that enabled the Amarr to rise first and strongest amongst the empires of humans in the cluster.

What will prove to be the short reign of Jamyl the abomination, will only exist as a minor footnote in the long and grand history of Amarr ascension to control of the cluster. We True Amarr fear only God, not "Pomik's Justice".

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#182 - 2013-10-14 14:15:57 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:


What will prove to be the short reign of Jamyl the abomination, will only exist as a minor footnote in the long and grand history of Amarr ascension to control of the cluster. We True Amarr fear only God, not "Pomik's Justice".


I am pretty sure that the defeat of the Elder invasion is not going to be a foot note.

Side note: what is wrong with pubby?

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#183 - 2013-10-14 16:01:16 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:


What will prove to be the short reign of Jamyl the abomination, will only exist as a minor footnote in the long and grand history of Amarr ascension to control of the cluster. We True Amarr fear only God, not "Pomik's Justice".


I am pretty sure that the defeat of the Elder invasion is not going to be a foot note.

Side note: what is wrong with pubby?
The Elder Invasion, unless my memory is shoddy, took place prior to the reign of Jamyl the abomination. Those darn little things called facts. They often punch holes in poorly thought out statements.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

San La Muerte
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#184 - 2013-10-17 16:25:50 UTC
Empress Jamyl's divine right to rule is unquestionable.

I would see this list and help purge the stars of the heretic and blasphemer, both will find redemption in the hell of laser fire.

"I am the harbinger of hope.  I am the sword of the righteous and to all who hear my words I say this: what you give to this empire, I shall give back unto you" - Empress Jamyl Sarum I at her coronation.

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#185 - 2013-10-17 16:33:58 UTC
San La Muerte wrote:
Empress Jamyl's divine right to rule is unquestionable.

I would see this list and help purge the stars of the heretic and blasphemer, both will find redemption in the hell of laser fire.
This noble zealot would be hard pressed to even see the names on the list from beneath his hood. Nonetheless I am sure everyone on the list will be watching in fear for your rookie ship flittering around the cluster blazing with the small laser of hell fire. Submit your application to PIE, i'll give you a personal letter of recommendation. You are the type they require.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

San La Muerte
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#186 - 2013-10-17 16:59:03 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
San La Muerte wrote:
Empress Jamyl's divine right to rule is unquestionable.

I would see this list and help purge the stars of the heretic and blasphemer, both will find redemption in the hell of laser fire.
This noble zealot would be hard pressed to even see the names on the list from beneath his hood. Nonetheless I am sure everyone on the list will be watching in fear for your rookie ship flittering around the cluster blazing with the small laser of hell fire. Submit your application to PIE, i'll give you a personal letter of recommendation. You are the type they require.



Your underestimation of my abilities only provides me with an even greater advantage. For you, I will create my own list "filth".

"I am the harbinger of hope.  I am the sword of the righteous and to all who hear my words I say this: what you give to this empire, I shall give back unto you" - Empress Jamyl Sarum I at her coronation.

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#187 - 2013-10-17 17:23:43 UTC
San La Muerte wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:
San La Muerte wrote:
Empress Jamyl's divine right to rule is unquestionable.

I would see this list and help purge the stars of the heretic and blasphemer, both will find redemption in the hell of laser fire.
This noble zealot would be hard pressed to even see the names on the list from beneath his hood. Nonetheless I am sure everyone on the list will be watching in fear for your rookie ship flittering around the cluster blazing with the small laser of hell fire. Submit your application to PIE, i'll give you a personal letter of recommendation. You are the type they require.



Your underestimation of my abilities only provides me with an even greater advantage. For you, I will create my own list "filth".
Oh no! Not another dreaded list.

See you are indeed a prime candidate for PIE.

Do you have some special ability to fly ships you have not been in the academy long enough to learn yet?

Do not mistake your baseline skill set as being transferable to capsuleer piloting. What you can pilot now would for the most part not concern an experienced implanted pilot in his pod. You'd almost never be able to target them fast enough to be a threat.

Let me suggest you calm down young pup. Yip yapping and snapping at the heels of the adults is a very dangerous practice.

The New Eden cluster is a hazardous place for big mouths in little ships. Many many of the pilots here I verbally joust with would dispatch me in moments if I was so foolish as to present myself in a battleship before their dreadnought fleet.

Disagreeing with their opinions and even their personal, political, or religious beliefs is far different from pretending they are not skilled competent efficient killers. Its what they do, you'd be wise to learn that swiftly. Against most in this IGS channel your chance of survival is microscopic.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

San La Muerte
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#188 - 2013-10-17 18:16:41 UTC
Talk is cheap Filth,

PIE is helping to cleanse the Empire, whereas you sit here carping at your fellow Amarrians. You are a poor example of our race indeed.

I will argue with you no more this day.

"I am the harbinger of hope.  I am the sword of the righteous and to all who hear my words I say this: what you give to this empire, I shall give back unto you" - Empress Jamyl Sarum I at her coronation.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#189 - 2013-10-17 18:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I finally start reading the IGS again. . . . I must say my perception of the Amarr Empire as a united front is shattered.

Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
If you take that heretic 'Slaver Filth' as whatsoever representative of the Empire, you make a grave mistake.

Indeed, you should better take pedantic obscurantists like Ms Mithra and unexceptionally sclerotic admirals as representatives. The Empire stands united: In calling everyone who expresses a theological opinion which slightly differs from their own narrow perception ‘heretic’. But what did you expect?

If I am going to look for a representative of the Empire and it's faith, I will look elsewhere than an adult film star. Not trying to be offensive (which is a first, I know), I just doubt that is anywhere close to statistically significant in the empire.

In the past, certain Imperial officials have commented on the IGS over certain matters. It would be nice if someone from the Theology Council could bring down word from 'on high,' as the issue seems to be sufficiently muddled.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#190 - 2013-10-17 18:27:56 UTC
San La Muerte wrote:
Talk is cheap Filth,

PIE is helping to cleanse the Empire, whereas you sit here carping at your fellow Amarrians. You are a poor example of our race indeed.

I will argue with you no more this day.
Talk is all you have the ability to offer at this stage of your development as a capsuleer. PIE is in fact quite efficient at killing enemies of the empire. That is why I directed you to apply. They are good examples of a military force. They do what they are told without too much thinking. Surely that appeals to such as you.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#191 - 2013-10-17 20:27:27 UTC
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Darian en Chasteaux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#192 - 2013-10-21 05:50:02 UTC
Greetings,

My oh my ... this talk is unconscoinable and some of which may be even disrepectful if such Empress were to ever lay eyez upon it...

I would never outwardly express any disloyalty to which I am not loyal to begin with...however as an individual I have great respect for such as the powers that may be; such outward internal bickering here seems out of place and could not possibly bode well with certain 'internal affairs'.

I am no means a diplomat, but I smell wars brewing here where there need be none...

Someone mentioned, "The Fed" ...

I may be dealing with Caldari soon and we may be in enough trouble as it is without Amarian intervention; some of the likes of which you would be well advised to know about; it might, 'lighten' the atmosphere a little.

I may be at some odds with Amaar as such and this enlightenment is the very reason I was borne Gallente; not even knowing why until now; how fortunate for me.

Darian en Chasteaux
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#193 - 2013-10-21 17:14:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ottom Ephesianos
The words Amarr, faith and intelligence should never be used in the same sentence. In context with historical events that the Empire has and is involved in to include slavery and the desensitization of their youth: coupled with the ancients unaltered manuscripts of the true faith, there is nothing intelligent about Amarr faith.

The current bastardization of imperial order is a convenient adaptation of vague interpretations revolving around excusing the subjugation of galactic inhabitants. There is nothing spiritual about the political mechanism unduly fabricated to support a culture of conquest.

It is an honor-less modernization of a once diligent sect of proud worshipers.

The current state of affairs is purely opportunistic with God having no hand in any of it. It is a shame to assume God would.
Johanes Beaumonte
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#194 - 2013-10-22 17:34:25 UTC
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
The words Amarr, faith and intelligence should never be used in the same sentence. In context with historical events that the Empire has and is involved in to include slavery and the desensitization of their youth: coupled with the ancients unaltered manuscripts of the true faith, there is nothing intelligent about Amarr faith.

The current bastardization of imperial order is a convenient adaptation of vague interpretations revolving around excusing the subjugation of galactic inhabitants. There is nothing spiritual about the political mechanism unduly fabricated to support a culture of conquest.

It is an honor-less modernization of a once diligent sect of proud worshipers.

The current state of affairs is purely opportunistic with God having no hand in any of it. It is a shame to assume God would.


Eh. Lord Admiral Lok'ri, it sounds like here's another fruitcake ready to be sliced up by PIE for the list!
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#195 - 2013-10-22 22:24:48 UTC
Johanes Beaumonte wrote:
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
The words Amarr, faith and intelligence should never be used in the same sentence. In context with historical events that the Empire has and is involved in to include slavery and the desensitization of their youth: coupled with the ancients unaltered manuscripts of the true faith, there is nothing intelligent about Amarr faith.

The current bastardization of imperial order is a convenient adaptation of vague interpretations revolving around excusing the subjugation of galactic inhabitants. There is nothing spiritual about the political mechanism unduly fabricated to support a culture of conquest.

It is an honor-less modernization of a once diligent sect of proud worshipers.

The current state of affairs is purely opportunistic with God having no hand in any of it. It is a shame to assume God would.


Eh. Lord Admiral Lok'ri, it sounds like here's another fruitcake ready to be sliced up by PIE for the list!
You saved my day, Beaumonte! You're on my list of funny people now!
Darian en Chasteaux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2013-10-24 14:15:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Darian en Chasteaux
Greetings,

While there may always be implications, there sometimes may be ramifications.

I have stumbled upon new rhetoric as they say, elsewhere; in fact I am thinking to be more relevant.

Suffice it for me to say, knowledge is power.

No one can really say how one is led; whether it is of religious, political, or otherwise background; the implications may be or end up being the same; maybe like equating a 'god' to a political leader or a dictator; or even an insurgent group; the one, and the many; both the same.

I am a metaphorical type of person; kind of an idealist which isnt all that great; but I try to see the overall picture; much like a god would; then I try to see how I could fit in to make the Universe a better place to live.

I am slowly discovering the means to my own end; where was I; why am I here; and where am I going.

We are but dust in the wind...blowing aimlessly...looking for a place to land, or call home; such is I.

I am in the process of learning; ya academia as one put it; I am fairly new to the internal goings on of the various factions; but I am slowly gaining a good foothold to their reasonings; and for all intents and purposes; I am beginning not to like any of it.

Perhaps this is the reason for the IGS; but I have yet to read a few things; to take more into consideration; to meet with upper level eschelon, and learn the true meaning behind the oppressiveness I have seen; in it's various forms.

Dictatorship cannot possibly be the answer; I have read stories of some who have lost everything due to disloyalty in this regard; this needs to change; somehow; we must end the senselessness of our own factions' ways of being.

To do this we must understand what started it all; understand the past; learn; change; and adapt.

A bee is not a bee until you get stung by it...

Darian en Chasteaux Cool
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#197 - 2013-10-25 16:45:21 UTC
The divine rule of the Empress cannot, without the most extraordinary distortion of the word's meaning, be described as a dictatorship. She rules as the most direct instrument of God's Will in the universe and as such her actions and her dictates carry a divine weight. Her proclamations deprive us of our liberty no more than does gravity. That which is of the natural order cannot be dictatorship.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#198 - 2013-10-28 07:18:27 UTC
Jamyl wears granny pants.

;)

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#199 - 2013-10-28 20:30:45 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens.

I cannot understand what would lead an Amarrian to such heresy as to question the legitimate Empress as confirmed by the Theology Council and Heirs.
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As someone fighting for the Amarr Empire day in and day out against the enemies of the Impress far be it from me to demean her Majesty by raising this but I would like to point out the following.

It is obvious to all that I am of the Caldari Race but as someone that has completed a part of his higher education in the Khanid Kingdom I assure you that the concept of Amarrian Theology is not unfamiliar to me.

Before I continue I would like to point out my view and beliefs on the Amarr as a people.

The Amarr are Gods Chosen People. The Amarr have been chosen by God to spread his will and message. For through Gods light, blessing and guidance the Amarr were the first race to be blessed with the knowledge of jump gate technology. Giving them the ability to spread his word and will far and wide.

By His Light and His Will

While lesser men and woman would attribute such a discovery to scientific ingenuity; it would be nothing but arrogant for man to brush aside the divine guidance and divine inspiration involved in every scientific endevour. To give credit to mans ingenuity without giving credit to the one that has blessed man with such ability is in my opinion outright arrogance. This is what differentiates the faithful from the heathens in my mind. I believe no true faithful servant of both the Amarr Empire and religion would disagree with the aforementioned statements.

With that being said I would like to point out to the speaker the underlined portion of his quote.

At the risk of upsetting some Amarrian faithful and at the risk of opening up an internal Amarrian debate hundreds of years old though I would like to ask this:

with the same method of reasoning mentioned in my above statement......would it not be arrogant to link the will of God with the will of the heirs and the theological council?

In effect what I am highlighting is not the legitimacy or lack thereof of the Amarrian Empress, rather the authority of a certain sect of the Amarrian Empire that use the term 'Gods Will' to further their own causes and legitimize their place of power. To be more specific the Theology Council that silences anyone that questions their actions or authority with the loose label of 'heretic'.

I hope that what I am saying is not misunderstood as blasphemy or heresy. For nothing I said was meant to demean neither the Amarrian religion nor the Empress. If I was by any means trying to demean either of the aforementioned then I would by default be fighting for nothing. I as an individual deeply believe I am fighting to spread Gods will and light to those that cast it aside.

But the question I mentioned begs to be asked. A question of this or this?

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#200 - 2013-10-28 20:40:05 UTC
Rosen Thornn wrote:
You should look inward to see what threatens your Empress.


One wonders if you realize how deep this statement is.

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