Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are forgetting that for the ship to be overpowered they also need to shoot at a structure, otherwise the tracking formula might have some words against their pretty numbers : Ogre II tracking is only good against larger target ; for 125m sig radius targets, the dps drop to 55% *if she doesn't move*...

Rumour has it that ships can fly/drop in groups with distributed ewar, and that armour fits have 5 mids.

You mean exactly like an Ishtar, but with a cloak ?

How does the Deimos compare to the Vigilant which have a 90% web on top ?

The trackin formula don't care about what you believe...

PS : I remember someone made tests with Dominix because people where not believing the tracking bonus would be useful. It appeared that the bonus was indeed useful on smaller targets because it allow heavy drones to be more effective on cruisers than untracking bonused medium ones. Overall heavy drones do need the 50% tracking bonus to be really more effective than medium drones on cruisers.

So it's definitely the cloak which scare the **** out of everybody here...

Maybe the kind of cloak BLOBS have would freak people out a little less ? But IMO the point of this cruiser is to "replace" T3 as main combat ship for black ops operations in the future.

Astero - this is more balanced i feel the -1 mid is for it being a drone boat as even faction droneboats lose 1 slot e.g. NVexor

Role Bonus: 100% reduction in CPU requirement for cloaks
Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Probe Strength
Role Bonus: +5 Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers

Can fit Cover Ops Cloaking devices

Amarr Frigate Bonus:
4% bonus to Armor Resists per level

Gallente Frigate Bonus:
20% bonus to drone hit-points per level

Slot layout: 2H, 3M(-1), 4L; 2 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 32 PWG, 170 )CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 475 / 600 / 525
Capacitor (amount) : 430
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 312 / 2.87 / 975000 / 3.88s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 37km / 620 / 6
Sensor strength: 13
Signature radius: 38
Cargo Capacity: 210

Taking away drone bandwith for a laser bonus is doing the ship as an exploration vessel no favor. It only moves it towards buffertanked gankmobile which seems to be feared on this forum anyway (unrightfully so I believe). It also makes this ship way less balanced than in its current state, even though it comes in the disguise of balancing effort here and there...

Why is that ?

Recognize firstly, that a dmg bonus of any decent kind would easily net increase pvp fit dmg output of that ship in the suggested form, especially apllied dmg output. Because this extra gun outshines a single heavy drone easily

Recognize secondly, that we explorers need our highslots for utility and scan. We can't make much use of the weapon bonus ..who can ? Right the pvp oriented roaming ganker, priate, gate camper or whoever..he would jump in cirlces for a 20 % bonus on 4 turrets or something along the line.

Recognize thirdly, that we explorers need sustained and therefore active tanking in our endeavors. Thus we seldom strain ourselves with energy hungry turrets if we do not need to....we need the drones and the drone bonus.

Lastly recognize, that drones are not, have never been and very likely never will be the DOOM and NIGHTMARE of pvp as it was made out by others in this thread. All those paper drafts with 900+ DPS by employing heavy drones need to really be reality checked by their creators.
Who here has heard those glory stories of roaming heavy drone vexors and myrmidons in low sec being the bane of all pilots and totally overpowered...i haven't..you probably neither. Drones are AT BEST a support dps weapon system in all pvp and have ever been. That is why the gank ishtar always racked up as much blasters as it could get and it probably wouldn't attack anything but a BS with heavy drones anyway...instead it most likely will field mediums against most targets.

Again why is the drone bonus nothing to be feared ? Because in all honesty a single smartbomb or emergency warpout ruins your day (or in a deep exploration territory like wormholes your whole weekend..). Can you loose your lasers ? Or blasters or missiles, by warping, cloaking, or other pilots ? Thus vastly reducing your dps without even having to fit any ewar or simply canceling it out completely ? i don't think so.


To be honest a decent pvp fit thorax can propably dismantle a statios just fine...

So can we please stop pretending that Heavy Drone Stratios with a price tag of 400 millions or whatever are going to wreck havoc in eve pvp...

This is a pirate faction boat such as the Gila, which is not a slot down from it's peers if i recall correctly. That said, we don't know what the balance changes will bring to the pirate cruisers.

well they need to lose a slot from somewhere ..

but navy aren't .. that makes no sense at all