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Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 57
Mer88 Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 57	#1 - 2013-10-14 19:25:11 UTC paladin has so much better cap and the gun is better than railgun ? also no need to keep buying ammos so tell me whats the advantage kronos has over pally?

marVLs

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#2 - 2013-10-14 19:35:45 UTC

Yeah pally looks the best now (or rather rest of marauders are still not in good shape) but it has that damn em/th ammo... So it has veeery limited reasonable use (99,9% marauders was and will be used in PVE), don't have tracking bonus, kronos have blasters yada yada, but still it lacks something. If You ask me, now i would train pally no mather that it will be used only for ammar missions

Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium 402
Sirinda Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Likes received: 402	#3 - 2013-10-14 19:47:16 UTC Right, and T2 crystals suck. Also, OP has never heard of blasters. Regarding your spelling: Click


Mer88 Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 57	#4 - 2013-10-14 20:35:14 UTC Sirinda wrote: Right, and T2 crystals suck. Also, OP has never heard of blasters. Regarding your spelling: Click blaster is awful even auto cannon is better especially considering you can select the damage type plus no cap needed also

PROPHET OF ENIGMA 1,339
Maximus Aerelius PROPHET OF ENIGMA Likes received: 1,339	#5 - 2013-10-14 20:52:46 UTC Sirinda wrote: Right, and T2 crystals suck. Also, OP has never heard of blasters. Regarding your spelling: Click The actual link you were looking for your troll was this I believe. [b]Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station[/b] Here's my tear jar > \|_\| < Fill 'er up!

Caellach Marellus

Stormcrows

Likes received: 1,584

#6 - 2013-10-14 21:40:28 UTC

T2 and Faction crystals drain over time, lasers tend to be more cap intensive than the Kronos.

Therm/Kin has a better damage spread than EM/Therm, and Blasters have a higher DPS output than pulses.

The main advantage the Paladin had was range, but with the Bastion bonuses to both range, and the tank allowing you to fit less tank modules and stick a TE instead to go with a TC in the mids, and the MJD to allow you quick relocation across the field, that range advantage is significantly less impressive.

Autocannons are bleh, you'll spend most of your time firing in falloff, and the Vargur looks really poor of the four so far.

Honestly, both the Paladin and the Kronos are great, and depending on what you shoot both will have their moments in the sun.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Ice-Storm 533
Aglais Ice-Storm Likes received: 533	#7 - 2013-10-14 23:22:32 UTC What's the point of Marauders when you have T3s? They probably tank kind of the same, the T3s are way faster in literally every field making them better mission runners, and they're cheaper.

Caellach Marellus

Stormcrows

Likes received: 1,584

#8 - 2013-10-14 23:42:47 UTC | Edited by: Caellach Marellus

Aglais wrote:

What's the point of Marauders when you have T3s?

They probably tank kind of the same, the T3s are way faster in literally every field making them better mission runners, and they're cheaper.

You can't get the same DPS and projection on a T3. Not to mention in addition to the high pulse tank, MJD+MWD capable twin manoeuvrability, large cargo bay for loot and space for salvage drones to pick up the extra isk for you.

From someone who use to T3 his missions, you've no advantage other than price, but you're paying for a less effective ship.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.


Sirinda Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Likes received: 402	#9 - 2013-10-15 07:14:23 UTC Maximus Aerelius wrote: Sirinda wrote: Right, and T2 crystals suck. Also, OP has never heard of blasters. Regarding your spelling: Click The actual link you were looking for your troll was this I believe. What?

Doomheim 3
roey Semah Doomheim Likes received: 3	#10 - 2013-10-15 13:00:03 UTC 1 phhh guns... phhh tracking... Golem is the way to go! .

AdVictis 54
Vinyl 41 AdVictis Likes received: 54	#11 - 2013-10-15 14:37:36 UTC got a golem and loving it but the new palad with beams is just as my beloved golem playstyle


Mer88 Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 57	#12 - 2013-10-15 15:37:33 UTC golem lose alot of dps to BS over 200m/s sometimes volley damage is 1k ish makes me want to self detonate


Vinyl 41 AdVictis Likes received: 54	#13 - 2013-10-15 17:54:49 UTC Mer88 wrote: golem lose alot of dps to BS over 200m/s sometimes volley damage is 1k ish makes me want to self detonate kick that flare rig no idea why but with appli skills on 5 and tp/ marauder stuff on 4 when i switched from second t2 rigor to t2 flare ive lost some noticeable volley damage - kinda no idea why need some eft warrior to enlighten me here

Mer88

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 57

#14 - 2013-10-15 18:54:38 UTC

Vinyl 41 wrote:

Mer88 wrote:

golem lose alot of dps to BS over 200m/s sometimes volley damage is 1k ish makes me want to self detonate

kick that flare rig no idea why but with appli skills on 5 and tp/ marauder stuff on 4 when i switched from second t2 rigor to t2 flare ive lost some noticeable volley damage - kinda no idea why What?

need some eft warrior to enlighten me here

are you shooting cruises? if so its probably was defender missiles kiliing 1/4 of the dps nothing to do with sig rad if you were shooting BS.

imo, there is no need to use rigors in golem when a TP has more than twice the explosion radius bonus than 2 x t2 rigor rigs
I would use 2x t2 flares for cruise fit. but even still you will still start to lose damage when bs travel faster than 200m/s since the exp velocity never get higher than 200m/s even with 2x flares.

Mike Forsite

MISSI0N C0NTR0L

D-O-G-M-A

Likes received: 2

#15 - 2013-10-16 21:08:17 UTC | Edited by: Mike Forsite

I've never used the Golem with CM's. Only got 4 Launchers and Defender kill a CM. That's why i use Torps, because they can't be "defended" ... Blink

That's my actual fitting on SiSi:

Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

X-Large Shield Booster II
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Cap Recharger II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner

Torpedo Launcher II
Torpedo Launcher II
Torpedo Launcher II
Torpedo Launcher II
Small Tractor Beam II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Bastion Module I

Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

5 Missile Imps:
TD-605; MB-705;GP-805;TN-905;RL-1005

All Missile Skills at 5 and Marauder at 5.

Got a volley on a NPC BS (even Angels orbitting at 6km) without TP over 3k. Cruisers mostly 1 Hit with 1-2 TP active. Range on TQ is about 50 km (57 km in info) and on SiSi with Bastion Mode about 65km (70 km in info). With Bastion mode it's nearly perfect in Missions. And the best in bastion mode is: No scramble from Guristas and no damping from Serpentis ... really speeds up missions against this NPC's.

Alpha on a structure is about 6,5k with Javelin and about 10k with Rage Torps.

Mer88

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 57

#16 - 2013-10-16 23:31:46 UTC

Mike Forsite wrote:

I've never used the Golem with CM's. Only got 4 Launchers and Defender kill a CM. That's why i use Torps, because they can't be "defended" ... Blink

my jav torp is 64 in TQ why is urs 57?

Jaiimez Skor

The Infamous.

Likes received: 122

#17 - 2013-10-17 14:52:13 UTC

Honestly if you're fitting pulses you're doing it wrong, I'm not that familiar with missions but was testing some things on Sisi the other day related to L5's, and had to run a few level 4's before hand, and with Bastion and MJD, I was using a Techyon Paladin, i'd shoot all the big stuff, come out of bastion, MJD 100km away, rebastion, load ultravilot, and instapop all the frigates before they could get under my guns, then come otu again and MJD back to the acceleration gate. Was so easy, i'm also sure a similar trick will work with railguns, I kinda like the new marauders.

Vrenth

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 110

#18 - 2013-10-17 20:52:03 UTC | Edited by: Vrenth

Mer88 wrote:

paladin has so much better cap and the gun is better than railgun ?

also no need to keep buying ammos

so tell me whats the advantage kronos has over pally?

Advantages :
- Not having to train up an entire other BS 5 to get 10% better cap usage.
- Having a decent short range weapon when not using a MJD
- Better in PvP for the above mentioned reason
- Damage type is different (situational)
- It's a megathron Hull
Disadvantages
-Ammo
-Less dps at long ranges
-Less cap stable with high dps ammo (cap stability doesnt mean a damn thing in missions, especially when MJDing)

I'll keep flying my Kronos, it does it's job.

Exiled Kings Pain And Compliance 36
Robbie Robot Exiled Kings Pain And Compliance Likes received: 36	#19 - 2013-10-18 05:50:08 UTC Mer88 wrote: paladin has so much better cap and the gun is better than railgun ? also no need to keep buying ammos so tell me whats the advantage kronos has over pally? Kronos is better vs guristas and serpentis. Kronos does better when someone is trying to neut you.

Pirannha Corp 3,519
Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp Likes received: 3,519	#20 - 2013-10-19 00:36:10 UTC Folks, the Paladin and Kronos both are losing their web bonus, which is the death of the ship. Comparing them is like comparing the Edsel to the Pinto, both are awful. Get yourself a faction BS instead, well, at least until they are ruined in the coming months.