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Scammers are exploiting the biomass tool in eve...
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Serenity Eon
League of Paranoid D-Scanners
#1 - 2013-10-17 04:56:24 UTC
All they have to do is create a alt, scam for a few days, then biomass the alt and repeat. It is an exploit because it is counteracting both the bounty system (in part created to help identify known scammers) and the block tool. I have nothing against scamming itself, but i grow real tired with having to continously block, block, block 24/7. Furthermore this exploit is turning a skilless/riskless system into an either greater skilless/riskless system.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-10-17 04:57:20 UTC
Show me on the EULA/TOS where counteracting the bounty system or the block tool is considered an offense. As long as you're not wiping off negative security status, biomass all you want.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-10-17 05:00:42 UTC
i don't like your post and want to bounty you but you appear to be a forum alt
Serenity Eon
League of Paranoid D-Scanners
#4 - 2013-10-17 05:03:24 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
i don't like your post and want to bounty you but you appear to be a forum alt


that i am good sir ^^
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-10-17 05:04:56 UTC
what's the difference between using a scam alt to avoid metagame consequences for your actions, including bounties, and using a forum alt to avoid the same?
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#6 - 2013-10-17 05:08:15 UTC
post with your main
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#7 - 2013-10-17 05:08:31 UTC
I know what you mean. The feeling of having this amount of pretty dumb spam is annoying. The fact that it's here to stay is sad for a game where high level scams, corp thefts, ponzi schemes and whatnot are allowed. I admire the effort and ingenuity of all meta-gaming and scams in the game and the fact that they are allowed. It's a core element of the game. But spam is another thing - whether you milk some ISK out of it or not, it still can't be considered a scam but merely simple spam.

There is a temporary solution, however. Minimize tradehub local and 90% of the problem is already solved. This simple fact that players should avoid using a game's feature (like a chat in an MMO) in pretty important and frequently visited systems because of pure spam is a good sign of bad game design.
Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-10-17 05:09:10 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
what's the difference between using a scam alt to avoid metagame consequences for your actions, including bounties, and using a forum alt to avoid the same?


Because on forums we have nothing to gain, but while contributing to the proper discourse of discussion and growth.

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
Shadow Love
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#9 - 2013-10-17 05:10:17 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
what's the difference between using a scam alt to avoid metagame consequences for your actions, including bounties, and using a forum alt to avoid the same?


I think the logic is something like EvE is spaceships but forums are e-peens. Or something like that.
Serenity Eon
League of Paranoid D-Scanners
#10 - 2013-10-17 05:12:55 UTC
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
what's the difference between using a scam alt to avoid metagame consequences for your actions, including bounties, and using a forum alt to avoid the same?


Because on forums we have nothing to gain, but while contributing to the proper discourse of discussion and growth.


this ^
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-10-17 05:13:05 UTC
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
what's the difference between using a scam alt to avoid metagame consequences for your actions, including bounties, and using a forum alt to avoid the same?


Because on forums we have nothing to gain, but while contributing to the proper discourse of discussion and growth.

i have nothing to gain if i choose to start suicide ganking pods on jita gate, but i can't biomass the thrasher alt

besides the possible gain, this is one game, and we post with ingame characters. you're still avoiding ingame consequences by rolling a disposable alt for forum posting, as with scammers avoiding ingame consequences by rolling scammer alts
Serenity Eon
League of Paranoid D-Scanners
#12 - 2013-10-17 05:18:58 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
what's the difference between using a scam alt to avoid metagame consequences for your actions, including bounties, and using a forum alt to avoid the same?


Because on forums we have nothing to gain, but while contributing to the proper discourse of discussion and growth.

i have nothing to gain if i choose to start suicide ganking pods on jita gate, but i can't biomass the thrasher alt

besides the possible gain, this is one game, and we post with ingame characters. you're still avoiding ingame consequences by rolling a disposable alt for forum posting, as with scammers avoiding ingame consequences by rolling scammer alts


Benny, mate, ill put it in english for you, scamming/abusing biomass tool = is in game, posting on forum to discuss the issue = out of game + im not abusing the biomass tool.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-10-17 05:20:39 UTC
you're using an alt to avoid ingame consequences for your metagame actions, yes, as do scammers
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#14 - 2013-10-17 05:28:20 UTC
Quote:
Scammers are exploiting the biomass tool in eve...


Yes they are.

But while they are exploiting it, it's not an exploit until CCP says otherwise.

But what I have to ask myself is why so many people spend so much time in trade hubs (with local not minimized, no less) that this actually becomes annoying enough to start threads about? No one should be in Jita for any longer than it takes to grab what they came for and get out again. It astounds me that people actually hang out there.

Mr Epeen Cool
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#15 - 2013-10-17 05:29:41 UTC
That is why I don't biomass. And I don't scam. Blast those wicked scammers!

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-10-17 05:29:54 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
you're using an alt to avoid ingame consequences for your metagame actions, yes, as do scammers


Lines like that prove why forum alts even need to be a thing. What actions would someone wanna take out on me or the other alt-using posters while we literally cannot do anything here to warrant such in-game harassment or action. I wasn't aware market scamming or suicide ganking on the forums was a thing.

Only thing I could imagine folk here wanting to take in-game action against a forum alt owner is for merely having a different opinion than them. Which says quite a bit about their personal character and maturity level.

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#17 - 2013-10-17 05:33:56 UTC
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
folk here wanting to take in-game action against a forum alt owner is for merely having a different opinion than them.

precisely. and you're trying to avoid that by using an alt.

while bitching about people who use alts Roll

post with your main or STFU
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#18 - 2013-10-17 05:36:01 UTC
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
folk here wanting to take in-game action against a forum alt owner is for merely having a different opinion than them.

precisely. and you're trying to avoid that by using an alt.

while bitching about people who use alts Roll

post with your main or STFU


That's why I post with my main. If people don't like it, they can suck my 28 billion isk bounty.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-10-17 05:36:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
i'll have you know that scammers merely have unconventional opinions regarding the distribution of valuable assets based on intelligence

*snip* i am serious.


Troll Content fixed! Kind Regards
ISD Dosnix
Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-10-17 05:40:06 UTC
Money Makin Mitch wrote:

precisely. and you're trying to avoid that by using an alt.

while bitching about people who use altsRoll

post with your main or STFU


Please direct me to where I have previously brought grievance over use of alts.

And 'Shug, you have not the authority nor power to decide or order the manners others post in.

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
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