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[Proposal] Skill Point Reset

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Sir Spottington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-08-14 23:00:05 UTC
Kinurra wrote:
  • The Problem:

    • You enter the game and aren't sure what to train. You decide mining sounds ridiculously awesome, and 2.5 million skill points later decide mining is boring and a waste of time. So you start training PvP and really like it - never touching a mining barge or laser again. But those skill points just sit there, worthless and taking up space.

    Over the years as your game play experience changes and you entertain the idea of venturing into other professions, more and more wasted skillpoints stack up.



  • Justification for implementing this change:

    • 1) Players really should be given the opportunity to correct mistakes and clean up their characters
    2) Like the philosophy behind Plex or Tags-for-sec, the time has already been invested and skill points already earned.
    3) Limiting to 1 reset per year (or even 2 or 3 years) like Attribute resets prevents this from being abused
    4) I'd pay a plex (now, if that's not motivation!....)


  • Sidebar:

    • This also goes hand-in-hand with skill deletion. Most players have at least a few skills that they plugged into their head, only to regret it later and have no way to delete them. Those of us with OCD that hate seeing a lot of level 0,1, or 2 skills mixed in with level 4's and 5's really go nuts over not being able to delete them. I'd like this feature too.


    i agree with the skill deletion but with no sp reimbursement. if there was that then i see no need for a remap,not that there ever should be sp remaps, and it keeps with the 'actions have consequence' as whatever time its taken to train the deleted skill would have been totally wasted.
    Ravn
    Gallente Mining Federation
    #42 - 2013-08-21 11:37:48 UTC
    Oh you young-ins! Eve isn't about all that!

    It's about your choices impacting the life of your character. Just like the real world! :-)
    Kyt Thrace
    Lightspeed Enterprises
    Goonswarm Federation
    #43 - 2013-08-22 16:18:50 UTC
    Ravn wrote:
    Oh you young-ins! Eve isn't about all that!

    It's about your choices impacting the life of your character. Just like the real world! :-)


    Yes I agree, but I would like to have the choice to remove unwanted/unused skill points.

    And with that choice the consequence is that I will not be reimbursed the skill points for doing this.

    R.I.P. Vile Rat
    Baaldor
    Pandemic Horde Inc.
    Pandemic Horde
    #44 - 2013-08-22 16:34:53 UTC
    Kyt Thrace wrote:
    Ravn wrote:
    Oh you young-ins! Eve isn't about all that!

    It's about your choices impacting the life of your character. Just like the real world! :-)


    Yes I agree, but I would like to have the choice to remove unwanted/unused skill points.

    And with that choice the consequence is that I will not be reimbursed the skill points for doing this.


    That makes absolutely no sense, so basically what is being asked here, is to allow someone to delete skills to satisfy their OCD?
    Kyt Thrace
    Lightspeed Enterprises
    Goonswarm Federation
    #45 - 2013-08-22 16:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyt Thrace
    Baaldor wrote:
    Kyt Thrace wrote:
    Ravn wrote:
    Oh you young-ins! Eve isn't about all that!

    It's about your choices impacting the life of your character. Just like the real world! :-)


    Yes I agree, but I would like to have the choice to remove unwanted/unused skill points.

    And with that choice the consequence is that I will not be reimbursed the skill points for doing this.


    That makes absolutely no sense, so basically what is being asked here, is to allow someone to delete skills to satisfy their OCD?


    No, delete skills I have NO USE FOR and WILL NEVER HAVE ANY USE FOR AGAIN.

    Example,

    CCP gave me Mining Lvl 2 when I created this character. This is a combat character, I have NO USE FOR this skill.

    When planet management first came out, I wanted to give it a try, you know something new, let's try it. I injected all 5 skills and trained each skill to lvl 4. After a few months, I decided that I did not like PI. I WILL NEVER HAVE ANY USE AGAIN for these 5 skills.

    Should I be penalized for trying something new, then deciding that it is not for me?

    I do not mind losing the skill points & think I should lose the skill points for trying it. I just want to remove it from my skill sheet if I want too. Charge me a PLEX, if you/CCP thinks it is a vanity thing, like PLEX for Re-Sculpt.

    R.I.P. Vile Rat
    Baaldor
    Pandemic Horde Inc.
    Pandemic Horde
    #46 - 2013-08-22 17:05:41 UTC
    Kyt Thrace wrote:
    Baaldor wrote:
    Kyt Thrace wrote:
    Ravn wrote:
    Oh you young-ins! Eve isn't about all that!

    It's about your choices impacting the life of your character. Just like the real world! :-)


    Yes I agree, but I would like to have the choice to remove unwanted/unused skill points.

    And with that choice the consequence is that I will not be reimbursed the skill points for doing this.


    That makes absolutely no sense, so basically what is being asked here, is to allow someone to delete skills to satisfy their OCD?


    No, delete skills I have NO USE FOR and WILL NEVER HAVE ANY USE FOR AGAIN.

    Example,

    CCP gave me Mining Lvl 2 when I created this character. This is a combat character, I have NO USE FOR this skill.

    When planet management first came out, I wanted to give it a try, you know something new, let's try it. I injected all 5 skills and trained each skill to lvl 4. After a few months, I decided that I did not like PI. I WILL NEVER HAVE ANY USE AGAIN for these 5 skills.

    Should I be penalized for trying something new, then deciding that it is not for me?

    I do not mind losing the skill points & think I should lose the skill points for trying it. I just want to remove it from my skill sheet if I want too. Charge me a PLEX, if you/CCP thinks it is a vanity thing, like PLEX for Re-Sculpt.




    I am not sure where you are "penalized" for having it.
    ShahFluffers
    Ice Fire Warriors
    #47 - 2013-08-22 19:22:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
    Seconded. How does having skills you aren't using "penalize" you?

    It's like knowing irrelvevant trivial from the 90s when you are an engineer. It's not useful right now or in the foreseeable future...but it might come in handy if you are randomly invited over to a coworker's "old school" game night.

    I can use myself as an example! I will never be a serious industrialist or miner... yet I can fly Exhumers, Orcas, and freighters... which I don't intend on ever buying or flying (unless I want to feel cheeky with a Skiff)... but those skills might come in handy if there a POS bash and said stuff drops out... you never know.

    How did you Veterans start?
    Gizznitt Malikite
    Agony Unleashed
    Agony Empire
    #48 - 2013-08-24 14:08:53 UTC
    Baaldor wrote:
    Kyt Thrace wrote:
    Baaldor wrote:
    Kyt Thrace wrote:
    Ravn wrote:
    Oh you young-ins! Eve isn't about all that!

    It's about your choices impacting the life of your character. Just like the real world! :-)


    Yes I agree, but I would like to have the choice to remove unwanted/unused skill points.

    And with that choice the consequence is that I will not be reimbursed the skill points for doing this.


    That makes absolutely no sense, so basically what is being asked here, is to allow someone to delete skills to satisfy their OCD?


    No, delete skills I have NO USE FOR and WILL NEVER HAVE ANY USE FOR AGAIN.

    Example,

    CCP gave me Mining Lvl 2 when I created this character. This is a combat character, I have NO USE FOR this skill.

    When planet management first came out, I wanted to give it a try, you know something new, let's try it. I injected all 5 skills and trained each skill to lvl 4. After a few months, I decided that I did not like PI. I WILL NEVER HAVE ANY USE AGAIN for these 5 skills.

    Should I be penalized for trying something new, then deciding that it is not for me?

    I do not mind losing the skill points & think I should lose the skill points for trying it. I just want to remove it from my skill sheet if I want too. Charge me a PLEX, if you/CCP thinks it is a vanity thing, like PLEX for Re-Sculpt.




    I am not sure where you are "penalized" for having it.




    There are very, very few skills in this game that have a "drawback".

    The Afterburner skill used to have a capacitor use drawback, but they fixed that.
    Warp Drive operation reduces the cap needed to warp, and could be considered a drawback if attempting to dump cap and make a precision short warp, but that is a very, very niche situation.

    If you have many, many "extra" skills, it is possible they bump you to the next clone grade, but that is, again, a very rare thing, as you need to have an aweful lot of skillpoints to get you there, especially if you are a high skillpoint character.

    There are two reasons for the "please let me remove skills" crowd:
    a.) OCD:
    b.) RP: You have a character that you want to be all amarr, but trained some minnie crap at a young age before you went all CVA and wish to remedy it for "RP" reasons.

    SaberRaptor Roxxors
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #49 - 2013-09-18 01:42:52 UTC
    read the first 5-6 replies.. got boring.. I agree with poster.. should be able to reset skill points..

    I also agree with everyone against it.. for old chars its way imba and would ruine the game.. thus, why not offer new players a chance to have a 1 time skill reset that expires after say.. 1 year?

    ive put points into gunnery, shield, etc.. when im an armor tank..

    before I learned about different tank styles and weaponry, I kind of just put all of a mish mash into everything.. its usefull, if I used it
    but never will.. now I know the game it would be nice to specialise more towards my hearts content now that I atleast know which direction to go.
    Elysia Hunter
    War Tid3
    #50 - 2013-09-18 05:50:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Elysia Hunter
    Okay, middle ground

    Yearly opportunity to SHIFT a to-be-determined number or skill points from 1 skill to another.

    This is remove from skills and add that to skills with a capacity on the number of movable points.

    I'm thinking 25000 to 50000 per year, no more.

    IF Johnny plays the same toon for 5 years he could move X per year that's 5 times X

    IF that were 25000 per year in five years he could move the points from mining on a PVP toon to something else and then shift some other around to fit his model. Want to move them back.. got to wait, sorry. No GM request for the adjustment, you reap what you sow until the next year.

    NO IT WOULD NOT STACK YEAR ON YEAR. Whatever the value it would be always have its yearly amount no more. Use it or lose it.

    But No Sorry, not allow him to totally revamp the whole toon every year. That would be a nightmare.

    Everyone wins, new and old. Allow the flexibility that experience and commitment to a toon should enable without super charging, no one gets super powers.

    I see no reason to deny people the right to remove a skill, if they choose to lose the skill points. If they just want a "cleaner" character/skill tree. Some folks are that way.
    Red Templar
    Viziam
    Amarr Empire
    #51 - 2013-09-20 06:09:49 UTC
    I agree that finished skill training's should never be reset.

    But, i would not mind if there was 1 per year reset of unfinished training's. For example i started training lvl5 of some ass-long skill, spent 2 days training it, and then decided i dont need it, and will never need it. And it is forever locked at those 10-20% progress. It does not happen often, but this does happens, and it would not grant anyone any significant amount of SP, maybe a half million total from all unfinished skills over the year.

    But its no big of an issue in long run.

    [b]For Love. For Peace. For Honor.

    For None of the Above.

    For Pony![/b]
    Makalu Zarya
    Rage and Terror
    Against ALL Authorities
    #52 - 2013-09-26 15:13:00 UTC
    no, no, no and no

    oh did I mention?

    NO
    Fuscus Exitium
    War Decs Inc
    #53 - 2013-10-16 20:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Fuscus Exitium
    i want this so much
    think its a good thing

    1 year = 10 skill reset free
    and if u want more u can buy 1 plex = 5 skills reset
    Samillian
    Angry Mustellid
    #54 - 2013-10-17 10:55:09 UTC
    Fuscus Exitium wrote:
    i want this so much
    think its a good thing

    1 year = 10 skill reset free
    and if u want more u can buy 1 plex = 5 skills reset



    This wasn't a good idea when this thread was started and what do you know......it still isn't.

    NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
    Vaju Enki
    Secular Wisdom
    #55 - 2013-10-17 15:53:28 UTC
    No.

    The Tears Must Flow
    Malcanis
    Vanishing Point.
    The Initiative.
    #56 - 2013-10-18 09:49:42 UTC
    Vaju Enki wrote:
    No.

    "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

    Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
    ArmyOfMe
    Stay Frosty.
    A Band Apart.
    #57 - 2013-10-18 19:41:42 UTC
    Im all for it. (as long as the feature costs about 500bill)

    GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
    DSpite Culhach
    #58 - 2013-10-20 03:47:36 UTC
    ArmyOfMe wrote:
    Im all for it. (as long as the feature costs about 500bill)


    ... per single SP.

    I'm all for the idea of people moving Skills where ever they want. Just not for EVE.

    I can predict consequences of nightmarish proportions. And I'm not even psychic.

    And on the idea of letting people wipe SP's: CCP would start getting so many "oh noes I clicked wrong, lost Carrier V please fix" even if there was 5 screens to say "Do you really want to do that?" just because they have a cat that is awesome at just hitting the "Y" key".

    Such an idea has lots of potential, but it's got far more dangers, don't see why CCP would risk it.

    I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
    Kyt Thrace
    Lightspeed Enterprises
    Goonswarm Federation
    #59 - 2013-10-21 14:40:34 UTC
    DSpite Culhach wrote:

    I can predict consequences of nightmarish proportions. And I'm not even psychic.

    And on the idea of letting people wipe SP's: CCP would start getting so many "oh noes I clicked wrong, lost Carrier V please fix" even if there was 5 screens to say "Do you really want to do that?" just because they have a cat that is awesome at just hitting the "Y" key".

    Such an idea has lots of potential, but it's got far more dangers, don't see why CCP would risk it.


    CCP places warning popups all thru out the game to insure you understand the consequences of your actions. If you ignore them, then it is your fault & not CCP's & you are stuck with it.

    It's like me saying to CCP. "oh noes I clicked the wrong button, I jumped my Titan instead of hitting the bridge to button, CCP please give me my Titan back" - Would CCP give my titan back?

    It's like me saying to CCP. "oh noes I clicked the wrong button, I jumped into lowsec and a gate camp blew up my officer fitted CNR, CCP please give me my CNR back" - Would CCP give my CNR back?

    CCP already gets thousands of whinners putting in petitions for their stupid mistakes. So nothing new to them, they are use to it.

    R.I.P. Vile Rat
    Lyra Gerie
    Garoun Investment Bank
    Gallente Federation
    #60 - 2013-10-25 20:05:27 UTC
    Eve is real.
    This is the motto of the game, or one of them. Like real life you can't reallocate your time once it is spent. I learned to ride a bike when i was 7 or so. I havent rode a bike in 3 or 4 years. I can't go back and reallocate my time to learn something I would find useful now like coding C++ or learning dreamweaver or other fancy computer tech.

    It sucks but the idea is to get players for the long haul anyways and in relatively short order those 2.5m skill points will be dwarfed. Besides if you did something like this now players would swap entire roles over night or push their skills further with no time investment.

    Besides, one day you might find those skill points useful. Just how if I ever get off my ass and take my bike to the gas station to fill the tires with air I might ride it again.