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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#81 - 2011-11-16 23:32:03 UTC
Whats that cheese they use in lasanga alot? was it alfredo or something or fettuchini?

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mkint
#82 - 2011-11-16 23:38:01 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Whats that cheese they use in lasanga alot? was it alfredo or something or fettuchini?

Alfredo is a bechamel sauce with Parmesan in it. Fettuccine are the flat narrow noodles. Lasagna usually has mozzarella and ricotta.

Speaking of ricotta, I know this place that has amazing canolli's. He does a vanilla ricotta filling into chocolate dipped shells. Food of the gods, I tell you what.

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Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#83 - 2011-11-16 23:48:53 UTC
mkint wrote:


You can't not be Italian

The pie is a tautology
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#84 - 2011-11-17 00:24:08 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
mkint wrote:


You can't not be Italian

That sounds about right for lasagna in the US.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2011-11-17 00:34:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
xxxak wrote:

The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.


You are a dumbass.

13 days.
Hope you bought a coat.
Winter is coming.
Destru Kaneda
Arzad Police Department
#86 - 2011-11-17 00:42:29 UTC
Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
#87 - 2011-11-17 00:54:10 UTC
Supercarriers can't deploy 25 sentries/EV-900s (* number of supercarriers on grid) to effectively one-shot the Heavy Interdictors that were introduced to the game specifically to tackle untackleable ships? What a travesty. I am truley sorry for you're lots.
Commander Spurty
#88 - 2011-11-17 00:58:31 UTC
So torn, want to post about "end game" nonsense, but now I have to say that Wensleydale is quite nice eh Gromit?

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Altera Athosia
Doomheim
#89 - 2011-11-17 02:17:12 UTC
Yeah, provolone is my favorite.

Also, there's this one cheese that I buy sometimes that I always forget the name of... Comes in blue wax, and it's really creamy... That stuff is good.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#90 - 2011-11-17 02:20:40 UTC
Blue? Ones I get around here are in red or white waxes. I remember trying to eat the wax once though. Thought it was the worst cheese ever until I was corrected later that day.

Oh and yeah super carriers have little to no business screwing with sub caps they way they do today.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#91 - 2011-11-17 02:28:59 UTC
mkint wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Whats that cheese they use in lasanga alot? was it alfredo or something or fettuchini?

Alfredo is a bechamel sauce with Parmesan in it. Fettuccine are the flat narrow noodles. Lasagna usually has mozzarella and ricotta.

Speaking of ricotta, I know this place that has amazing canolli's. He does a vanilla ricotta filling into chocolate dipped shells. Food of the gods, I tell you what.


some traditional lasagna uses the bechamel sauce instead of mozzarella
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#92 - 2011-11-17 02:34:37 UTC
Chaos Incarnate wrote:
xxxak wrote:
The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.


if only there were ships capable of killing the mighty ibis solo



I was gearing up to post this huge awesome counter argument, but then I stopped and thought about it, and realized everything I wanted to say pretty much boiled down to this ^. Mighty... frackin'... ibis......... the "widow-maker". In-fricking-vinceable.

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mkint
#93 - 2011-11-17 02:35:29 UTC
Morganta wrote:
mkint wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Whats that cheese they use in lasanga alot? was it alfredo or something or fettuchini?

Alfredo is a bechamel sauce with Parmesan in it. Fettuccine are the flat narrow noodles. Lasagna usually has mozzarella and ricotta.

Speaking of ricotta, I know this place that has amazing canolli's. He does a vanilla ricotta filling into chocolate dipped shells. Food of the gods, I tell you what.


some traditional lasagna uses the bechamel sauce instead of mozzarella

That sounds delicious. It also brings up the question if spanakopita could be classified as lasagna? It uses a pastry that is more related to pasta than bread, and has a goat cheese/spinach filling.

Mostly I'm happy we've turned this thread into something positive.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2011-11-17 02:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ris Dnalor
I am compelled to come to CCP's defense on this one.

xxxak wrote:
CCP has proven yet again that they are no better than other modern game corporations, lurching forward without any finesse or sense of elegance.

The changes to Supercarriers, which now are nearly set in stone, are hilariously bad.

The changes do nothing to address the issue of super-blobbing. By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable. The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.

Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.


solo (or small groups of) supercarriers should not be viable. this is a good change. Something that large and expensive should be supported by a large fleet or it should not be used.

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The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.

Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse.


Perhaps you'll see more supercaps in the blob, and larger blobs, but you'll see them less frequently and less widespread. CCP has solved some of the problems and perhaps not all, but it's a great first step.

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Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less. On some level, this is not a bad thing. Personally, I might advocate for the total removal of Supers from the game. However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE. Oh, and for all of you who claim that EVE is a sandbox with no end game, go take a basic psychology class at your local community college. Pathetic.

I, for one, hope my tears, at least, fuel you in your future journeys. I expect that by this time next year CCP will be a tattered corpse lying in a gutter by the access road.


Supercaps being used less is a good thing. There should be no 'end-game' in eve. I might consider that there are multiple "achievements' that people feel the same sense of accomplishment about that they would feel about achieving an 'end-game'.... but it's truly not an end-game, because there are many, many things like this and once one is achieved, you can move on to the next. If you're looking for one, that could be the source of your disappointment more so, as now there is less of one than there was. [/quote]

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TL;DR -- the new changes do nothing to reduce supercap blobbing, and in fact just make super pilots wants to get into bigger mega blobs. CCP fails and proves itself to be a dumb blunt-minded brute.


CCP is moving forward not back. They're focused on spaceships! They're fixing some problems and making things better. I urge you to morn the loss of the old super-duper-win-button-carriers, and once you've worked thru your grief, make a suggestion that would help solve the problem of super-blobs, without going backwards and breaking the things that have been fixed. CCP is taking suggestions and running with them right now. You might have the answer they're looking for, hiding behind your frustration. Consider that.

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Oberine Noriepa
#95 - 2011-11-17 02:55:17 UTC
mkint wrote:
That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.

Currently, these are my three favorite cheeses:

1.) Manchego
2.) Feta
3.) Roquefort

I'm lactose intolerant, however, so I have to eat dairy products in moderation.

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Taiwanistan
#96 - 2011-11-17 02:57:32 UTC
op is acting like he just found out

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Bloodhands
State War Academy
Caldari State
#97 - 2011-11-17 03:07:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodhands
xxxak wrote:
By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable. The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.

Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.

The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how on track CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally awesome.

Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to use their brains while fighting. This will only make Super blobs worse.

Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less. On some level, this is not a bad thing. Personally, I might advocate for the total removal of Supers from the game. However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE.

I, for one, hope my tears of joy, at least, fuel you in your future journeys. I expect that by this time next year null sec will be have tattered corpses lying in a gutter by the access road.

TL;DR -- the new changes do nothing to reduce supercap blobbing, and in fact just make super pilots wants to get into bigger mega blobs. CCP fails and proves itself to be a dumb blunt-minded brute.


Fixed it for ya a little bit. The larger the ship is, the less it was designed to be flown with out support ships. The largest ships in the game were never intended to be flown as solopwnmobiles and forcing pilots to actually ensure with support that their supers are safe after logging off or not doing solo tower killing is good. Acting as if 1 ship was actually envisioned to take on fleets of 15-20 support/BS and win is so beyond absurd I would actually ask you to go back to unsubscribe your EvE account and head on back to WoW or whatever MMO you came from.

Eve was never designed to be played in easy mode.
Bloodhands
State War Academy
Caldari State
#98 - 2011-11-17 03:10:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodhands
bah, double click fail =(
Causalitii Eullon
Catalyst Consortium
#99 - 2011-11-17 03:21:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Causalitii Eullon
xxxak wrote:
being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.


Your statement is silly. I am fairly certain only bubbles and hics can hold down supers but maybe I'm just making this up.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#100 - 2011-11-17 03:29:48 UTC
No THIS is silly...

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