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Jaangel
BLAMBER
#1 - 2013-10-16 17:00:04 UTC
Can someone please explain CCP's Current track of thought with the ongoing balance changes.

As i can see it all they have done is to push people into larger groups flying **** ships.

I used to be able to go out in a 10-15 man gang have fun and compete with larger blobs. Im not saying we could have won outright, we rarely held the field but we could at least get a fight out of it and a few kills before we ran away.

NOW

Links changes make it harder to compete.
The soon to be changes to cepters make it harder to evade blobs in anything other than a cepter.

Does CCP not like small gang PVP?
Does CCP want to push out it most die hard of fans by removing their play style?

Eve player who have been here a while normally have done the alliance thing being a 0.0 entity, They have done the high sec bearing. They settle into small groups to blow **** up.

I feel that CCP really needs to think about all of the change and should re introduce something that makes small gang viable again im not after 3 people and a link alt taking on the entire of eve on their own but tactics such as hit and run in medium sized ships should be viable.

Please stop pushing people into blobs it's bad for game play it's bad for fun and finally it's bad for eve.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2013-10-16 17:05:10 UTC
the warp speed changes should be a massive boost for hit and run tactics and roaming gangs.

Also, what you've said has been said about every patch for about the last 7 years. Its really old and tired.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Vrenth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-16 17:07:23 UTC
Jaangel wrote:
Eve is dying


People playing together in a Massive Multiplayer game? Blasphemy.
Jaangel
BLAMBER
#4 - 2013-10-16 17:07:25 UTC
Batelle wrote:
the warp speed changes should be a massive boost for hit and run tactics and roaming gangs.

Also, what you've said has been said about every patch for about the last 7 years. Its really old and tired.


Urm how is it a boost? when you will just be out run by a cepter tackled and blobbed i dont think you thought that response through very well did you?

Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-10-16 17:08:05 UTC
OP, you're kidding, right? Small gangs of interceptors are going to make the stars run red with blood.
Takari
Promised Victorious Entropy
#6 - 2013-10-16 17:09:25 UTC
They're working on on-grid boosters.

Even still what would you have CCP do to help small-gang PVP that would not also help the blob on a larger scale?

Perhaps some concrete ideas rather than nebulous "Make it better" would help things out?

"Roll the dice, don't think twice. This is the way of things. Welcome to EVE." ~ CCP Falcon

"Good luck, shoot straight and don't back down." - Serendipity Lost

Jaangel
BLAMBER
#7 - 2013-10-16 17:10:02 UTC
Quote:
The soon to be changes to cepters make it harder to evade blobs in anything other than a cepter
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-10-16 17:12:54 UTC
So you're really just mad about interceptors. Well, why don't you just say that?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2013-10-16 17:15:15 UTC
CCP makes more small gang oriented changes --> Whine thread about CCP nerfing large gangs.

CCP makes more large gang oriented changes --> Whine thread about CCP nerfing small gangs.

CCP makes any groups size oriented changes --> Whine thread about CCP nerfing Solo PvP.

CCP makes any changes to anything whatsoever --> Whine thread about CCP nerfing something.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Jaangel
BLAMBER
#10 - 2013-10-16 17:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaangel
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
CCP makes more small gang oriented changes --> Whine thread about CCP nerfing large gangs.

CCP makes more large gang oriented changes --> Whine thread about CCP nerfing small gangs.

CCP makes any groups size oriented changes --> Whine thread about CCP nerfing Solo PvP.

CCP makes any changes to anything whatsoever --> Whine thread about CCP nerfing something.



I like this post it is very true.

it doesnt change the fact that small gang, solo have both had the stuff kicked out of them for ages to the point were i know droves of people who are talking about leaving.

Eve 2 years ago was a place were if you wanted to do blob warefare you could go and find it. If you wanted to solo you could find it if you wanted small gang you could find it. Now Sydicrap and other areas that were havens for small gangs are full of lager entities while 0.0 is empty.

T3's were nerfed so small gangs have shorter point ranges than larger gangs.

and now the cepters change means you cant even run away.

Before the start of the recent balance pass the game was balanced excluding a few things that needed tweeks such as T3's and HAC.

I cant rember the last time there was a small gang buff.

NO FW Doesnt count as a buff, hunting stabbed people in FW plexs has never been fun.

Fozzy was in round tables at fanfest telling everyone to get more friends so really im talking to a shrinking audience.
Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-10-16 17:27:36 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
CCP makes more small gang oriented changes --> Whine thread about CCP nerfing large gangs.

CCP makes more large gang oriented changes --> Whine thread about CCP nerfing small gangs.

CCP makes any groups size oriented changes --> Whine thread about CCP nerfing Solo PvP.

CCP makes any changes to anything whatsoever --> Whine thread about CCP nerfing something.



Far too many words, this is how the general discussion forum and basically life works:

Change -> Whine

The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com

Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-10-16 17:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
CCP have said several times that EVE is primarily a fleet warfare oriented game. Ships are being balanced according to their specialized roles in fleets. Any consideration of solo/small gang is secondary, unless something is absolutely broken in this regard.
Jaangel
BLAMBER
#13 - 2013-10-16 18:04:48 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
CCP have said several times that EVE is primarily a fleet combat oriented game. Ships are being balanced first according to their specialized roles in fleets. Any consideration of solo/small gang is secondary, unless something is absolutely broken.



You have hit the nail on the head perfectly in describing what they have done wrong in the recent balance change they have given each ship a role. what CCP thinks that ship should do. Eve has always been a sandbox were players take what you have given them and use it in interesting ways. "who cares what it was built to do! im bother about what it can do" - Gene Gene Kranz Nasa flight director.

CCP has completely changed the roles of ships without taking into account what that ship was used for by the players.

They havent thought about what affects it has on the smaller gangs or the soloist's i just think they haven't considered the bigger picture enough.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-10-16 18:35:22 UTC
Frigs and dessies are going to be way faster than cruisers and above. Get some frigs together and kick anything that comes near you black and blue, then run away when it gets heavy. Don't see how that's a nerf to small gang.

Dodixie > Hek

Anslo
Scope Works
#15 - 2013-10-16 18:52:35 UTC
Look, if an NPC corp can get a blob together, you can too.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

atpc
Lost in Space Inc.
#16 - 2013-10-16 18:57:26 UTC
Solo/small gang players like a challenge.
consider yourself challenged.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#17 - 2013-10-16 19:01:15 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Look, if an NPC corp can get a blob together, you can too.


(the following link is NSFW btw, lol google search)

When The Scope becomes a blob, should it be called The Proctoscope ?

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-10-16 19:02:28 UTC
Jaangel wrote:
Can someone please explain CCP's Current track of thought with the ongoing balance changes.

As i can see it all they have done is to push people into larger groups flying **** ships.

I used to be able to go out in a 10-15 man gang have fun and compete with larger blobs. Im not saying we could have won outright, we rarely held the field but we could at least get a fight out of it and a few kills before we ran away.

NOW

Links changes make it harder to compete.
The soon to be changes to cepters make it harder to evade blobs in anything other than a cepter.

Does CCP not like small gang PVP?
Does CCP want to push out it most die hard of fans by removing their play style?

Eve player who have been here a while normally have done the alliance thing being a 0.0 entity, They have done the high sec bearing. They settle into small groups to blow **** up.

I feel that CCP really needs to think about all of the change and should re introduce something that makes small gang viable again im not after 3 people and a link alt taking on the entire of eve on their own but tactics such as hit and run in medium sized ships should be viable.

Please stop pushing people into blobs it's bad for game play it's bad for fun and finally it's bad for eve.


It's not unsual to see postings on these forums where the reality totally doesn't match the posters perceptions. But this one is a cut above that.

The T1 cruiser rebalance alone totally changed the fact of solo and small gang pvp. The HAC rebalance has people actually wondering around in Deimos' and Vagas (both of which visited my ratting system last night, barely got away from the Deimos lol). The weapons rebalancing (like medium rails and beam) do benefit fleets but also solo kiters etc etc.

In short, you're completely off base here.


Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#19 - 2013-10-16 19:05:03 UTC
Jaangel wrote:
Batelle wrote:
the warp speed changes should be a massive boost for hit and run tactics and roaming gangs.

Also, what you've said has been said about every patch for about the last 7 years. Its really old and tired.


Urm how is it a boost? when you will just be out run by a cepter tackled and blobbed i dont think you thought that response through very well did you?




The roaming gangs would be a hell of a lot faster and able to cross large swaths of 0.0 faster. Their ability to find and catch things would be much higher, targets would have less time to respond to hostiles in local or intel channels. Once the roamers have poked the nest and decide to back off, they can do so quicker. If the defense fleet does send a few interceptors, they wouldn't be much more than free kills for the road, unless of course the entire defense fleet is in ceptors.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#20 - 2013-10-16 19:05:59 UTC
Jaangel wrote:
Batelle wrote:
the warp speed changes should be a massive boost for hit and run tactics and roaming gangs.

Also, what you've said has been said about every patch for about the last 7 years. Its really old and tired.


Urm how is it a boost? when you will just be out run by a cepter tackled and blobbed i dont think you thought that response through very well did you?



Figure out how to kill Ceptors quickly before his friends land?

Consider warp speed rigs which should actually be viable (if you pvp in a fashion where running away is common)?

Nuets? Smartbombs? ECM? Stabs? Target Locker Breaker? MJD (and hope the ceptor doesn't have a scram)?

EVE is about figuring things out. So figure it out.
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