Player Features and Ideas Discussion

sabre's agility gets nerfed.
→ sabre is getting nerfed.

You're a liar if you decline that.

Revamp should focus on making other dictors non-****, not including a nerf to the one ship that does work.

Looks like a lot of people want Fozzie's job. While some of the things pointed out are valid.

I'm happy this class is getting these much needed buffs, I don't see what everyone is so mad about. The primary function of these ships is bubbles and they will still perform that role as they always have. However, with the interceptors now being bubble immune as well as the much needed buffs to EAF's, the interdictors have now been given a secondary role as viable anti-tackle. I think they will be much more useful overall now, because of the added utility they can bring. The missiles will obviously have inferior DPS to the Saber but far superior damage projection with light missiles, or you can go rockets and put their raw dps closer to the sabres. In discussing these changes with my corpmates and a few old friends, we are all very excited to see these changes implemented.

A lot of people are complaining about split weapon systems, the new Scythe Fleet issue is proof it can work, and I can see why some people are confused about the ERIS being the ship that gets it, as Gallente is not traditionally the split weapons race. Maybe on top of the 5% explosion velocity, give it 5% cap use on hybrids as well. This way it will have the same amount of bonus's to hybrids as other dictors have to their primary weapon systems. I think a second low on the fly catcher is a good idea. Having to choose between the only dmg mod for missiles and a dcu is a bit silly, and painful. Yea, it's got 5 mids, but it is short a launcher. Having the slots for ballistic control + dcu seems fair.

I think this class could also use 4 new ships as well (just like ccp added 4 ships to the t1 class with the talwar, corax, algos, and dragoon) perhaps similar to these ships but with some solid bonus's to each races secondary ewar. Point range for gallentee with maybe armor rep bonus in a drone boat, neuts for Amarr in a drone boat, painters for minmatar with an mwd sig bonus and some solid base stats, and a smartbomb cap use or radius bonus for caldari and a shield resistance bonus (because they need a secondary ewar, and **** ecm XD ) At least it would give capsuleers some more options and flexibility for training into interdictors skill. Or even allow them to use a t1 cloak with no speed loss while cloaked (but they still have a lengthy delay on doing anything after being cloaked, and cannot warp while cloaked) Just to give them a fighting chance to escape their own bubbles. Sure, pilots with high awareness can still decloak them, but with the anti tackle potential this class has they may actually be able to handle that 1 frigate who saw where they were before they cloaked, after launching a bubble.

However, I'm being silly. These look great, and I can't wait fly them. The sabre will still be good, but the rest of the ships will be nearly on par with it now as far as I can tell.

I think most people aren't looking for Fozzie's job, personally I'm here cause these changes will add to my gaming experiences and I want to have a say in the matter.

The reason split weapons works on scythe is because you can choose. On this thing you can't, and I don't see how blasters and rockets go together, even though they're both close range they're on the other ends of the spectrum. The fallof bonus kinda helps that making it a null blaster/rocket kiter but I feel like there's better ways do it.

That lies in the problem of the game design making speed too relevant. And know what? Know when speed became so relevant .. AFTER the nano nerf. Because suddenly only a few were able to reach USEFUL speeds where piloting opitions became relevant. BEfore the nanon nerf all races scould reach speeds where good piloting could mitigate damage.


THis is all to blame on the HORRIBLE work at the 2 great nano nerfs. And the stupidity of Overheat on MWD that basically cancels all the meaning of having your ship a bit faster than your enemy.


One bad does nto justifies another. Minmatar shoudl stay the faster one and the most fragile. Not made into a non flavor race. What is minamtar flavor now? None.. its generalized. Nott discussing if its efficient, discussing how bland and horrible design it is.

a hauler can also drop an anchorable bubble and not get agro :P

Interceptor T2 : 40mil
Average price of a fit : 20 mil
Let say that you have a clone that cost 10 mil + 20mil in implants.

That's almost 100 mil just to deploy a bubble that stays three minuts before being oneshoted once you activate your microwarpdrive and reach 400m of sig radius in the middle of a bubble.

Who would pay 100 mil for that ? Still better to use a medium bubble at this rate...

If I take the flycatcher as an example...
Interdictors needs a REBALANCE, not some tweaking that includes +49 shield and -1 hull (lol )

It needs to have at least doubled survivability, a role bonus for MWD sig radius. (Obvious for a ship that's directly at the center of a bubble most of the time)... Not 25% more kinetic only dps.

Edit - Suggestion incoming :

By the way, I would like to suggest a new variant of the interdiction probe : The cloaked interdiction probe. It would work in a very simple way : Drop a cloacked interdiction probe, it stays in space for 30 minuts at max skills... Invisible AND inactive.

You can move away and cloak if you want. If you're at less than 100km from the probe AND uncloaked, you can tap the interdiction sphere launcher again to uncloak the probe and activate the bubble for the regular bubble probe duration.

New gameplay, perfect for ambushes, fun.

I agree, these proved just as dissapointing as the interceptor changes.

This is just my opinion but here it goes.

I think dictors need to be split into 2 classes. We now have 2 racial destroyers per race make one more fleet oriented with less high slots and more tank. Make the 2nd one more high slots and less speed/tank/agility. This would make both sides happy. Also on that note you could then give the Fly catcher 4% to shield and the saber and Eries a 7.5% bonus to rep bonus. This would allow these ships to be more survivable in the type of situations they would fill. It would also introduce a new ship class and make the other masses happy.

Also because this is much needed please consider this.

I believe the actual interdictor sphere launcher needs a revamp. Sure years ago it worked for the scale of the game, but thankfully the game has grown since then, specifically fleet battles.

I propose you limit the sphere launcher to only one fit at a time. Change the rate of fire to 3-5 seconds. Remove the bonus to the sphere launcher rate of fire and make it +1 to amount of bubbles in the launcher clip with a base amount of 0. At level 1 interdictor you can carry one bubble in the launcher and at max skill, level 5, you can have 5 loaded. Now have the reload time decently long.

With this you have a launcher that fullfills the needs of today's fleets and allows fitting room for a more logical tank so the pilot can be more than a 15 second hero. Also when the launcher is reloading, the pilot can bail off the battlefield or stay and perform some other duties like anti-tackle role without being gimped due to 2-3 launchers and a cloak.

I don't know who posted this originally but this makes the most sense.

Amarr have their armour resists
Caldari have their shield resists
Gallente have their high DPS
Minmatar have their speed and agility

These are the things that help ships of each race stay alive, whether through tank, gank, or ability to hit and GTFO.

While the Sabre is still the fastest and has the best agility rating, its effective agility (as shown by align time, determined by agility and mass (as I understand it)) is now not only not the best, it's the worst of all the interdictors.

Sure, a sabre can fit nanos to improve agility, but so can all the others. The comparison needs to be made on the base stats and the improvements to the others have meant that the Sabre is relatively worse off now.

I think this might need another small balance pass.

although with the Eris being entirely armour based it kind of kills that off somewhat