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i really dont get why everyone wants to ruin the naga so badly. forget about the whats the primary caldari weapon( which is missles not rails.) dps on the naga with rails is 535 with meta 4 guns and thats with anitmatter. (rails suck and i wont train t2). meta 4 torps run something like 640 if i remember correctly. so torps would fit better for the role of the ship. with rails i cant ever fit hardeners without going unstable, so forget about sig tanking with an afterburner. a single nuet will shut off the guns and tank then its dead.

honestly i dont see what problem there is with torps. range shouldnt be an issue considering the talos has what 10k range? if range is such an issue why not buff the blasters for the talos.

and holy crap.. alot of you saying you want rails arnt even caldari toons.

and let me put this stupid "rails are caldari primary" thought to rest.

i started as caldari. what did i train for? MISSILES. the caldari t3, what does it use? MISSILES. Sure ONE of the subsytems allows for the use of turrets, but how many use it? almost no one. why does the moa ferrox and rohk suck? cause they dont use MISSILES.

honestly where these new bc's supposed sniper ships? NO they are supposed to be high dps low tank gank ships. i dont care how much of a buff rails have gotten they will always suck becuase at long range you cant make your traget stay there. thats why all sniper ships suck.

rails make the naga suck. plain and simple. no one will use it, short of retards that wanna snipe from 200k and never get a single kill.

ehh you mad? 40% dmg per lvl? do you know how much dps that would be on those sentries ? 200% bonus at lvl 5 which would make them rip thru anything.. also the tracking on them aint bad so they can hit pretty much everything too not only BSes and BCs. Garde T2 has 60 dps at all lvl 5 skills. 60 x 3.0 = 180 dps on 1 drone. you will have 5, 900 dps, also sentry drone dmg rigs (10% dmg bonus per rig) and it can hit stuff down to frig/cruiser ?... ( 60 x 3.3 = 198 x 5 = 990 dps with rigs)

The obvious solution is to make the Tornado the missile BC. That way the rail-Naga is still a good PVP ship, the idiot carebears have a terrible missile boats to lose in L4 missions to elite frigates, and the problem of the overpowered projectile Tornado is resolved.

After all, Minmatar pilots are always whining about their split weapon systems and their SP-intensive race. Let's give them a proper missile boat so they can make use of all their missile skills.

CCP, we demand missiles for the Tornado! Or at least a 4-4 turrets-missiles split!

so fit a web and problem solved. even better team up with a huggin for a target painter aswell and do even more damage.

thats not a good enough reason to make it a turret ship.

Considering the time commitment required, Hybrids aren't worth the punt. I'd be better off cross training to Minmatar and projectiles. At least I know they'll work.

The fact remains, four ships, four races and only three weapon systems represented. It's a glaringly obvious omission.

So, what... just try and forget about all the time spent into training missiles? your asking people to train up an extra 10 mill in gunnery SP.. 6 levels of specialization and supporting skills, even with +5 implants and dedicated attributes that takes nearly a complete year

Missiles are viable in pvp, maybe if the caldari had more than 2 ships able to even remotely have an effective use with torps people might learn how to use the larger missile platforms instead of having to stick with assault and heavy launchers.

All the weapons can be used in pvp. Yes there are some imbalances, and CCP has made it very obvious that they are working on that, so there's no reason to make players who prefer missiles to either get screwed out of a ship or switch to a weapons platform that no longer makes the game fun for them.

4 new BC's with oversized weapons, 4 primary weapon types, one for each. Players are more than capable of fitting ships and forming fleets to make effective use of them all. Then when CCP continue's the balancing we can evolve as well.

lol i have hybrid turrets. i also fly gallente, and minmatar. its not lazyness. i know what rails can do, better yet Cant do. and they Cant kill a fly.

the fact remains that for some reason the shield tanked ship have had a giant turd droped one thier head. gallente and amarr dont have this problem of training for 2 different weapons just to fly one race of ship.

and the 5% boost in damage hasnt really helped rails. they still suck. one big reason is the ships that fit rails dont get a damage bonus. the bonus for the naga should be 5% damge boost to cruise and torps. and 5-10% velocity bonus to cruise and torps.

The actual reason that CCP ditched the torps and cruise missiles is that both have serious issues in PvP (this is, of course, the reason that you so rarely see Caldari BS's on the field). Specifically, travel time, explosion velocity, and explosion radius. CCP could EASILY address the problems using bosuses on the Naga, but they cannot do so without shining a spotlight on the problem overall -- as they would end up with a BC that outclasses the existing Caldari BS's. This would leave them with the option of either fixing these weapons across the board, or fixing the bonuses on Caldari BS's to also address the issues.

Both of those bring with them their own set of problems: specifically, development time they do not want to spend, and faster missioning.

None the less, this solution is bullshit.

Essentially, they are releasing the expansion with an Amarr BC, a Minmatar BC, and two Gallente BC's.

FINAL FEEDBACK (unless any new changes are made.)

Naga
Needs a tiny bit more power grid.
Needs slightly more agility and speed (lack of low slots really prevents nanoing up)

Talos
Needs 150 more base power grid.

Then I think they compare to the rest in terms of fittings and performance.


In terms of your stated aims/goals, these ships really do the exact opposite. They die extremely quickly to battleships and battlecruisers (Short BS guns track cruiser sized stuff too easily at all ranges), but are great at kiting and destroying small stuff. The dreak killers we were promised these are not.

allaera

the reason im so fixated on rails is because if its not fit with rails then is just a sheild tanked talos. and the talos is better at it. the tracking bonus for the talos is alot better than the optimal range bonus that the naga gets. talos also has a better tank not relying on cap so much.

reguadless of whether im solo or not neuts will utterly destroy a naga as it is.

of course torps suck at hitting anything under a bc. but these ships are for hitting above their weight class not under.

and ive stated that very same thing about the moa, ferrox, and rohk. these ships are tipicly fit with rails for sniping. and these ship are why rails have a bad wrap. not because of the damage output of rails but the lack of damage bonus to them.

the only reason the naga is better with rails isnt the 5% boost ccp gave them.. its 5% per lvl the naga gets to them.

all this still doesnt change the fact that caldari is getting shafted by not being able to use cruise or torps.