Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, yes and no. Somebody earlier suggested that they be immune to their own bubbles - which I guess technically might be pretty hard to do, but would make sense. Essentially a dictor should be allowed to warp out of its own bubble hence making it much easier to survive a large fleet battle but still be caught in another bubble. Maybe if they were immune to only interdiction bubbles but not mobile warp disruptors ? An interceptor is much better equipped to defend itself than a dictor, so I dont really see bubble immune dictors as being more omfgwtfpwn than the new interceptors. Also, immersion wise, it seems odd that you could manufacture a bubble immune interceptor and not apply the same technology to an interdictor.

Otherwise, the split weapon system on the Eris spoils what is otherwise a very welcome rebalance to that ship. Essentially the Eris needs the ability to fit 5 turrets or 5 missiles leaving the remaining slots for 2 bubbles and a cloak. I strongly disagree that a double bubble fit is overpowered, because you have to gimp the lows with co-processors to get it to fit.

Overall I'm looking forward to flying an Eris again. Thanks Fozzie - the changes look pretty good.

That looks boring. Same as SB and CovOps "rebalance". They were different, now they are almost the same.
Missiles are for Caldari.

- HERETIC - no dronez or lazors, why ? is that Caldari armor based ? That's really unfair. 8.75 effective launchers on hull with 3 tank and 3 utility slots ? And 3 tank modules can be replaced with 3 damage mods.
Sig 75, nice, armor tank will not bloom it.

- FLYCATCHER - overall nice bonuses to missiles, but looking at only 1 low slot something is still broken. 1 low is not enough pushing you to hard decision - tank, navig or dps module. No tank bonus so at least ship should have more low slots to allow DCII AND something else (nano or BC).
No drones - good , it's not amarr/gallente. It's caldari.
Sig 80 !!!!!! - this is bad, veeery bad. Add to that shield tank blook and boom, this ship is no longer an option.
That ship needs turret sockets and hybrid bonuses.

- ERIS - what missiles are doing on that ship ? Actually bonuses better fit Caldari - hybrids/missiles. Here should be hybrid/drones.
a single drone ? that's joke, isn't it ? what is that for - a mining drone ? I can only imagine how excited are Gallente pilots to skill that ship. That additional month to use weaponry is really temptating. ;)

- SABRE - weaponry, tank ok - it's matar, sig+speed ok for shield tanked ship. Not enough med slots for shield tanked ship.

In generic - shild tanked should have sig 70-75max, 5 med slots, armor tanked sig 80-85 2-3 med, 4-5 low.
Amarr - drones, lazors
Gall - hybrids, drones
Matar - projectile, drones
Caldari - hybrids, missiles, no drones.

It's quite funny combination 5*10% missile velocity (range) bonus combined with 50km targeting and very low number of med slots.

These ships doesn't look like well designed at all.
Do you guys play EvE or only plan EvE ?

Somethings look good some things look a little... confused.

If you're giving the 4% armour resist to the heretic I get the feeling that its role is that of a fleet vessel. Therefore given the racial dispositions I'd recommend some changes such as...

Heretic - 4% to armour 7 highs 5 launcher slots 3 mids 4 lows
Since fleet usage doesn't require a full set of weapons and the extra low can provide added survivability.

Flycatcher - 4% to shield 7 highs 5 launcher slots 5 mids 2 lows
Same idea as above. Less damage for that extra low that the hull could really use.

Sabre - more or less the same 8 highs 7 turret slots 4 mids 2 lows
They are more skimishy and get the extra weapon slots

Eris - 8 highs 6 turrets 6 launchers 3 mids 3 lows
Also skirmishy and a bit more versatile than the others.

I would also argue that the sabre and eris get a tad lower sig radius than their caldari and amarr counterparts.

Tldr;
Caldari and Amarr get 4% resist a level. Sacrifice a high for extra low. Lose a few launcher hardpoints.
Minmatar and Gallente have the full 8 highs and a full rack of weapons. Lower sig radius. Eris gets 3/3 mid/lows

[quote=CCP Fozzie]Interdictors ahoy!
The single biggest buff these guys are getting is from the already announced warp speed changes, where their 8au/s will allow them to get on their targets extremely quickly. Otherwise we've focused on getting the three under-performers up closer to the Sabre's power level while maintaining their own distinctive styles. The class has lost a fair bit of sig across the board, and the Heretic, Flycatcher and Eris all see very significant mass decreases which lead to them gaining a lot of speed while under mwd.

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You are doing that again. Minmatar ships aligning and warping slower than all other races. THat is WRONG. Youa re not keepign racial identity. you are murdering it!!!

Minmatar are the hit an run race. You shoudl NOT have given more HP to sabeer.. you shoudl have kept the saber as the most trully mobile but at the cost of HP.


When did CCP finnaly lost all grap about the original races identities?

That is what I also dislike. CCP keep forgeting racial identities.!!!


Amarr are supposed to have most armor hitpoints and be the strongest FACING direclty ene,my. Gallente are balanced mobility and defese but huge firepower. Minamtar are supposed to be SQUISHY as a paper bag but FASTER AND MORE AGILE THAN ANY of the other races!!!


That was the race conception, that is on what people choosen their races and focus. it is WRONG.. COMPLETELY WRONG to change them!!!

THis absurdity is at the point that we had to beg CCP to not make the tempest SLOWER than the apocalypse!!!!!!

i'm not sold on these changes....

a few general remarks: bolstering up things already stated in this thread

i don't see why the rate of bubble launching of interdiction sphere launchers has to be a hull bonus.
if you want to promote, that more skilling is necessary to launch bubbles faster, make the rate of bubbleling part of the interdictor / graviton physics skill itself and introduce a survivability bonus as the 4th hull bonus.

bringing me to the second point: survivability of interdictors. they have none. that is the whole issue with this ship class. dictors are primary even before recons and those are thought of as OP.
i can live with them not having an super awesome tank but there should be a way to survive if you know what you are doing. currently your only way of surviving a decent fight is when your opponent does not know what he is doing.
A nice thing would be a 4th hull bonus promoting survivability in one or the other way and/or reduce their sigs to the range of their t1 counter-parts.

why do we need 3/4 (!) of the dictors shooting missiles? especially if you remove distinction between light missile and rocket boats. I can understand leaving the missiles on heretic and flycatcher, although the different sides of missiles could get more reinforced, being steady, good dmg very well projected but stuck to kinetic - flycatcher - and the dmg flexibilty in this case for the heretic.
so give the eris another focus than missiles and change the developing corporation accordingly.

Yep they changed it a few years back, and I agree with that, but why aren't you adding mass to it?
All ships use MWD or AB, if speed advantage is lost only with that module, something is VERY wrong.
Not being able to be the faster not even in a straight line? wtf

Wow, thank goodness the Eris did keep its ability to field 1 light drone....

That light drone is such an awesome help to its DPS or even using a single EC-300 to escape...when you're tackled and tanking hard...


...... Of course, I'm being sarcastic - The split weapon system Eris is fundamentally a terrible idea. Give it 7 turret / 7 launchers or even 5/5 and a full 25 bandwidth or something.

Right now it is still a pile. Cheers.

honestly some of the slot layouts are really debilitating bearing in mind their role. i totally agree with Grath about the 50% MWD sig reduction on dictors.

The Flycatcher is seriously hindered by that single low slot, it needs +1, with possibly a -2 slots in highs.
Eris having 2 mids is an issue especially without a tracking bonus of any kind. 3 mids 4 lows with maybe a -2 in highs.

consider the more widely used interdictors are the ones that arent hamstrung by bad low slot layouts. if the idea is to have each ship have the same number of combined mids and lows, but a different layout is to try force some kind of difference, theres a better way to do it.

Salvage drone on the Eris ?