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80 million isk to build

2 hours with a 20 man battleship fleet to destroy the npc/player structure + reinforced timer adding a extra 24 hours

more timers

odds of someone coming back and blowing up your structure in the exact same way: near 100%

probability that these will only be found on plasma planets: HIGH

chance to charge a total stranger 100k isk to launch down to a planet?

priceless.

You don't have to leave the same way you came in.

If someone really wants to destroy your POCOs, they can and will. Either make sure you never annoy anyone enough to make the commit a day, or be ready to defend it. Considering that you're in completely lawless space, even more so than 0.0, maybe you should consider the latter anyways.

I think your transitional INTERBUS POCO's are going to hurt more than help.


In the end though, my main concern is still the DEFENDABLE nature of these POCO's.


Here's the scenario :


Group A is using Interbus POCO's.

Group B decide to take down the Interbus CO to take advantage of said Group A's taxes for themselves.

Group B puts up their POCO in hopes of making money off of Group A.

Group C sees Group B's POCO's and decides to shoot at it for fun.

Group B has NO CHOICE except to come at time x to defend, potentially against a larger group that doesn't care at ALL about the POCO or the planet.

Why does Group B have no other plan of defense except to hope that they don't get hot-dropped by 50 carriers at the POCO?


If you give a defense option, such as disabling the timer, then you can force the aggressive forces to have to COMMIT to really WANTING to attack the POCO. The issue is attackers have no commitment to attacking, and defenders have no choice to preempt attacks.

It's really a ****** scenario especially in low sec, and you need to acknowledge it and put in a fix for this.

Yep yep, thanks Ingvar. I misread that part of his post. i thought he was talking about stocking up on fuel.

Dear CCP do you actually read the feedback ; on those 89 pages of feed back the overwhelming majority said NO bad idea
and what did you do ?? Yep just went ahead and itroduced a new game mechanic that will NEVER work


Why ccp WHY

Bloodpetal
Group A is using Interbus POCO's.
Group B decide to take down the Interbus CO to take advantage of said Group A's taxes for themselves.
Group B puts up their POCO in hopes of making money off of Group A.
Group C sees Group B's POCO's and decides to shoot at it for fun.
Group B has NO CHOICE except to come at time x to defend, potentially against a larger group that doesn't care at ALL about the POCO or the planet.

Why does Group B have no other plan of defense except to hope that they don't get hot-dropped by 50 carriers at the POCO?
If you give a defense option, such as disabling the timer, then you can force the aggressive forces to have to COMMIT to really WANTING to attack the POCO. The issue is attackers have no commitment to attacking, and defenders have no choice to preempt attacks.

It's really a ****** scenario especially in low sec, and you need to acknowledge it and put in a fix for this.



-- Not an unlikely scenario but with a few small flaws. You're pre-supposing that Group B's only interest is to tax Group A and not do PI themselves. In which case they have a less than solid business plan which is likely to fail anyway. Second, you pre-suppose that they're never around to defend prior to the CO getting re-inforced. Yes this does occur in null with renters almost never seeing or getting support from the sov holder, but the very nature of putting up a PCO is aimed at people who actively occupy the space they'll be set up in and dis-favors absentee landlords. This is good in my opinion. If you're going to put up a CO in low sec you'd best be a regular if not permanent resident or the obvious will happen. Preempt attacks by being active in your space and killing them before the CO gets re-inforced.

Is it remotely possible that a very small number of entrepreneurial pirate corps will take advantage of this new feature and set up PCO'S ? Maybe. Do i truely believe that a roaming gang in low sec is going to take 30 min out of their day to ref a PCO in the hopes of getting a fight. Only if they see 10 or 15 of the owning corp in local. Otherwise it's highly doubtful they'll waste the ammo. Or come back X number of hours later to finish the job.

The people who i expect to see the most action are W space residents. Interbus CO's dont have re-inforce timers. They just die. If you were planning on kiling all the Interbus CO's in you hole anyway a roaming gang is doing you a favor by killing them. If however you wanted to just leave the Interbus Co's in place, then the w space roamers are going to be able to bait you into alot of fights.

That's already how it works - the percentage rate that you set is "percent of the maximum possible tariff" that you're charging for import/export.

(Which goes back to my complaint on page 3 or 4 that the percent signs are going to confuse a lot of people. It's a percentage of the maximum possible tariff, not a percentage of market value.)

I don’t know about you but I just received the Volume #68 of the EvE Online newsletter, where they are touting the Crucible Expansion, which mostly just consists of some balancing, artwork changes and four new ships. Although I appreciate the fact that these improvements are free, my interpretation of an Expansion is adding Wormholes (Apocrypha) , Moongoo (tech 2) Planetary interaction, Incursion and even the Sovereignty changes in Dominion that were noted in Volume #34 of the EvE Online Newsletter. How many corporations boarded up and left for Greener Pastures online after that mess?

If CCP thinks that these changes to PI are so great why are they hiding this fact in their newsletter? I’ll tell you why most people don’t read the Dev Blogs or announcements. If they did you would get 10x as many negative post on this subject and most people who have suspended their accounts wouldn’t come within a hundred miles of this disaster and CCP knows this. I actually did not know myself this was happening until I was informed of the changes by the Pirate group that inhabits my Low Security PI system in Black Rise. I could actually hear them Salivating over Team Speak.

So to make things easier for CCP I have written the announcement for them so that they can add this to Volume #69 of the Eve Online Newsletter which makes sense as we are all getting screwed.

Going back on Hilmar’s promise to listen to vast majority of EvE players and catering only to the delinquents and Sociopaths of EvE (which includes the CSM) and because its taking too long to develop Dust 514. The Eve online Crucible expansion will include the following new Planetary Interaction “features”.

Player owned Customs office (POCO’s) in Low and Null space that will cost Millions of ISK to deploy and only have enough hit points for about 20 minutes for a small Battleship fleet. Better yet they are unprotected! That’s right no station guns! Anybody at anytime can come by shoot at your POCO whenever with complete impunity? The Null Sec trolls on the forums are defending this “Feature” for PI but if we did the same for Moon towers, oh the tears.

Now you can control who uses YOUR POCO so all you have to do is take over all of the limited Plasma Planets in the EvE Universe and Hey you can corner the market on say Chiral structures, because we did not learn the same lesson with Dysporite. But don’t worry if this becomes a problem we will come up with a solution like PI Alchemy.

And as a bonus if you are first online when the expansion hits. In addition to a useless implant you can destroy as many Interbus Customs offices as possible and anything inside left by unsuspecting players in different time zones.

So Pinch yourself because Eve Online is turning into Star Trek online.

Ok, ran some numbers on those tax rates and i'm worried.

They need to be high enough so that my future overlord gets some benefit from opening up his CO to me, rather than eluding everyone not in his corp ... so that they get more stuff from the planet with their own colonies. right now they are so low that its better for a corp to not open it up!!!

You could always anchor one outside of a station to prevent people from ganking haulers... the station guns would help if they go GCC.

Same outcome if people attack it?

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