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Griefing CCP - Bounties for E-Uni Ganking
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Jitas Prostitute
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#141 - 2011-11-17 01:52:45 UTC
Angry Onions wrote:
I support this endeavor against the so-called "EvE University". They are nothing but a scourge in High-sec and a major pain in my ass! I am willing to commit forces to this and also I offer my knowledge to this effort. Also, if you ever want to have them run shitless out of low-sec, hot-drop them with carriers. Jus' sayin.


I agree... I was once a student of the so called "university" let's just say all I got from them was a lot of bull-ish and a rash.

I always have Sun Tzu and General Patton quotes close by when I PvP in this internet spaceship video game, eve online.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#142 - 2011-11-17 02:06:18 UTC
Jitas Prostitute wrote:
all I got from them was a lot of bull-ish and a rash.

Be honest, you had the rash before you joined the Uni...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2011-11-17 02:56:12 UTC
Emily Poast wrote:
The old 'learning curve' picture is true. Places like EUNI encourage new players to stay. I have never seen statistics on it, but I am certain that the % of new solo people who quit eve after a month is gigantic.

That is true. I've said as much. If EVE University were purely a teaching corp, there'd be no problem. But ~1000 of their members have no role in teaching or being taught. They are simply industrial carebears who should create their own corporations.

Kelduum uses the numbers to make a case to CCP when presenting them with his agenda. Those numbers are false when he's presenting E-Uni as a teaching corporation.

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BUT - I also think they should be subject to the normal griefing, and they still are

Only ganking remains. Wardecs are a nonexistant mechanice at the moment ... and there's no indication from CCP that they plan to address the issue and return wardecs under some new set less-exploitable mechanics.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#144 - 2011-11-17 03:55:15 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:

I've said as much. If EVE University were purely a teaching corp, there'd be no problem. But ~1000 of their members have no role in teaching or being taught. They are simply industrial carebears who should create their own corporations.

Why? Because you say so?

"BUT THEY"RE NOT PLAYING RIGHT!!!"

So what? Last time I checked, a corp can run itself however it wants. And when so many players (way beyond the number who ever stay in E-U) stay in the game and prosper with what they've learned, I'd say that qualifies them as a teaching corp.


Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Kelduum uses the numbers to make a case to CCP when presenting them with his agenda. Those numbers are false when he's presenting E-Uni as a teaching corporation.

Again, they do teach. So what if they don't teach the way you think they should?

It's tired and old, but if you think you can do better... (which, I'm betting you can't/couldn't/won't) - form your own school. See how long you last... Besides that, you think Keld is the only alliance leader CCP is talking to? Why in gods name would it be?

Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Only ganking remains. Wardecs are a nonexistant mechanice at the moment ... and there's no indication from CCP that they plan to address the issue and return wardecs under some new set less-exploitable mechanics.

Two things, you can still war-dec the uni. It's gonna cost'ya if you want "1000 carebears who should create their own corporations..." And there is zero.point.nothing to say that CCP isn't reviewing War-Dec mechanics as we speak... It would make a dam good troll of the player base if they were...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2011-11-17 04:21:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
It's tired and old, but if you think you can do better... (which, I'm betting you can't/couldn't/won't) - form your own school.
And if I bitch about the US government, I should go form my own government, right?

Do you sell those strawmen, or just build them for yourself?
Glide Joringer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2011-11-17 04:26:33 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
It's tired and old, but if you think you can do better... (which, I'm betting you can't/couldn't/won't) - form your own school.
And if I bitch about the US government, I should go form my own government, right?

Do you sell those strawmen, or just build them for yourself?


Good job comparing apples and oranges.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2011-11-17 04:36:18 UTC
Glide Joringer wrote:
Good job comparing apples and oranges.
A strawman is a strawman is a strawman.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#148 - 2011-11-17 04:41:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Glide Joringer wrote:
Good job comparing apples and oranges.
A strawman is a strawman is a strawman.

Actually, no.

You *can* form your own teaching corp very easily in game, nothing but a bio and some advertising... Nothing at all like "forming your own government". Speaking of strawmen...

Again - if you know so much better.


Do it.


Edit to add: Way to avoid the rest of the post... Your getting good at it...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#149 - 2011-11-17 04:43:13 UTC
Boy, killing highsec care bears of a corp that openly recruits *everybody* is

TOO. DAMN. HARD.

I better go ship toast instead. That will show them!!?!?!
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
#150 - 2011-11-17 04:52:42 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Glide Joringer wrote:
Good job comparing apples and oranges.
A strawman is a strawman is a strawman.


And a boring stuck record is a boring stuck record

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For God's sake Poetic Stanziel change the boring stuck record......

Lady Spank for C&P moderator.
el alasar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2011-11-17 09:23:44 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
And if I bitch about the US government, I should go form my own government, right?

Do you sell those strawmen, or just build them for yourself?

then you should become member of and support a 3rd party, if both existing parties have become a puppet shows. showing initiative is far better than complaining.

check the moderated 10000 papercuts evelopedia page! http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Little_things_and_ideas_-_low_hanging_fruit_-_10000_papercuts comment, bump(!) and like what you like
Ellin Einher
Griffin Capsuleers
Ad-Astra
#152 - 2011-11-17 15:21:01 UTC
If you want to kill them so much why don't you stay in their often visited systems in low? or are you afraid of being killed by a real PvP'er?
Juicy Chanlin
Doomheim
#153 - 2011-11-17 16:10:34 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:

That is true. I've said as much. If EVE University were purely a teaching corp, there'd be no problem. But ~1000 of their members have no role in teaching or being taught. They are simply industrial carebears who should create their own corporations.



And Why? Because you say so? Don't forget, this game can take years to learn. Sure, I might be good at missioning, and it'll generate me some of the income that I need to be able to afford to go play PVP when I feel ready for it. Does that mean I'm not allowed to be in the uni? Shouldn't I be where ever I want to be? Or should I keep corp hopping, When I want to learn about PI I'll go hop back into the uni, then I quit when I learned enough to get by.. Then get back in when I realize I'm not as knowledgable about it as I thought.

You seem to be under the mis-conception that EUni is NOOB training corp. It is not. It's a teaching establishement, whether that's to teach the upper skills of the game to someone that's played it for a few years, or to teach the new guy on his trial period. They'll take anyone and will teach anyone as long as that person is willing and has set goals to learn. Sure a lot of people get lost in the shuffle and will yo-yo between carebaring and actually learning stuff, but that's most likely because they are not yet confident in their skills and in their wallet balance to go and get themselves blown up.
DuperBusa
Obstergo
Red Coat Conspiracy
#154 - 2011-11-17 20:43:54 UTC

I didnt even about this until I was paid for it.
He paid me 15 mil for this kill : http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14607027
Hulk - 30 mill @ 50% for low sec kill

Thankyou for the isk, and good luck to your endevour.
Dunbar Hulan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#155 - 2011-11-17 21:02:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Dunbar Hulan
Went trawling around last night but never saw any of them. Went from CL85-V up to Berta, then headed back again.
I'm guessing that low sec is as far as they go ?
Not looking for any isk for this endeavor, just fancy a few days away from the bubble.

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Piccoloshi
Jackets Corporation
#156 - 2011-11-17 21:07:39 UTC
Dunbar Hulan wrote:
Went trawling around last night but never saw any of them. Went from CL85-V up to Berta, then headed back again.
I'm guessing that low sec is as far as they go ?
Not looking for any isk for this endeavor, just fancy a few days away from the bubble.


Actually, from what I understand, fleets run up and down through non-sov null. I think they have more activity in Great Wildlands than most other areas.
Ellin Einher
Griffin Capsuleers
Ad-Astra
#157 - 2011-11-17 21:22:56 UTC
Dunbar Hulan wrote:
Went trawling around last night but never saw any of them. Went from CL85-V up to Berta, then headed back again.
I'm guessing that low sec is as far as they go ?
Not looking for any isk for this endeavor, just fancy a few days away from the bubble.


They are allowed to enter any nullsec that doesn't have Player Sov, ruling out a few like Stain since the route involves player sov systems. And it's true most of the time the E-uni goes to GW, because it's the closest one from their HQ.
ShipToaster
#158 - 2011-11-18 02:41:48 UTC
Thinking of paying Rinoa Leonhart for that kill even though it is not actually in the list. Still waiting to pay 50 million to Kelduum Revaan for the corpse.

Juicy Chanlin wrote:
You seem to be under the mis-conception that EUni is NOOB training corp.


EVE University wiki wrote:
EVE University is a neutral, non-profit training corporation in EVE Online that exists to train new players in the basics of life in New Eden


I dont think people are under this misconception any more. You are correct however and anyone claiming that EVE University is still a noob training corp is insulting our intelligence.

The second quote from their wiki seems to contradict your opinion on what their goals are as it presents a succinct mission statement. Either you are absolutely wrong or their wiki and assorted advertising are lies. Which is it?

If it is taking you almost a year to learn the basics of EVE Online then there is something seriously wrong with your definition of the basics. Nowhere does it say that EVE University is there to teach you the "upper skills" of the game and if they have changed to do this then perhaps it should be reflected in their wiki and assorted advertising.

Ellin Einher wrote:
If you want to kill them so much why don't you stay in their often visited systems in low? or are you afraid of being killed by a real PvP'er?


Was this directed to me? If it was then no and no. I dont want to kill them but I do want to see them die uselessly and frustratingly to gankers with no means to fight back yet knowing that it was their own stupidity that led them to their fate.

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Ellin Einher
Griffin Capsuleers
Ad-Astra
#159 - 2011-11-18 03:13:36 UTC
Ellin Einher wrote:
If you want to kill them so much why don't you stay in their often visited systems in low? or are you afraid of being killed by a real PvP'er?


ShipToaster wrote:
Was this directed to me? If it was then no and no. I dont want to kill them but I do want to see them die uselessly and frustratingly to gankers with no means to fight back yet knowing that it was their own stupidity that led them to their fate.


If that's your real motivation I bet you would get more satisfaction and pleasure from beating a pillow, since it wont do anything to fight back, I can assure you that. I can only imagine where will your own stupidity lead you,

I doubt Unistas sniff your business, so why you sniff theirs?
Glide Joringer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2011-11-18 03:17:21 UTC
ShipToaster wrote:
. I dont want to kill them but I do want to see them die uselessly and frustratingly to gankers with no means to fight back yet knowing that it was their own stupidity that led them to their fate.




I feel like you might be overestimating the impact of your endeavor.