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Being conned to join a corp-Alliance with real life ramifications

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#121 - 2013-10-15 17:53:53 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Anslo wrote:
And you sound like a broken record. Can you contribute anything BUT blaming others for being 'enablers' or 'entitled?'


It's annoying, to be sure, but can you actually present an argument that demonstrates he's made a mistake and that he's wrong in this case or are you just going to point out what you perceive as flaws in his word usage? Also, point out the part where he explicitly or implicitly blames anyone. Then try to learn the difference between fault and blame.


No no, let him snipe fro the sidelines because he has nothing else to say. Don't take what little dignity he has left lol. After all, he's entitled to enable others to do dumb things....
San La Muerte
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2013-10-15 17:56:48 UTC
Psyrus Baine wrote:
You know I haven't played eve in over 2 years because I been in the hospital fighting colon cancer and going through chemo treatments, I been in remission for the last 4 weeks and decided to join a active corp and play some eve while feeling partially human before having to go back in a couple weeks for more tests in hope it stays gone. .

I hope the people that decided it would be fun to Conn me into joining them so they could gank both my characters carriers with all my stuff loaded for moving into a new corp I hope your proud of yourself for taking the opportunity of someone being drugged up with not as much caution as I would normally take. Due to not really thinking about much except trying to get my mind off of having to go through chemo treatments again for a cheap kill. God help you for that.

There is plenty of old eve players that know me and can confirm my being in and out the hospital for the last 4 years. I hope killing my carriers and blowing up my stuff was worth the thrill. To those of you who know and or knew me I wish I could of played just a little longer before ending up back in the hospital but I don't have the drive to fight being conned in a game and deal with reality. To my friends that still do play and remember me I hope you fly safe and maybe if god is on my side I might be back to play again someday.


Very sorry for your health issues. Awful, I hope your health returns and you are fine.

However, you being in hospital has nothing to do with in-game events and if you are an old Eve vet you really should know better and be cautious. You made a mistake in a game known for the ruthless behaviour of it's players, bringing cancer and God into the issue is really not cool. Take it on the chin and start again.

"I am the harbinger of hope.  I am the sword of the righteous and to all who hear my words I say this: what you give to this empire, I shall give back unto you" - Empress Jamyl Sarum I at her coronation.
Anslo
Scope Works
#123 - 2013-10-15 17:59:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Jenn aSide wrote:
No no, let him snipe fro the sidelines because he has nothing else to say. Don't take what little dignity he has left lol. After all, he's entitled to enable others to do dumb things....


Yep, like Scope venture fleets. All the ventures. All the hobgoblins. ALL THE LOVE. 0 OF THE CALORIES \o/
edit: Who needs dignity??

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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#124 - 2013-10-15 17:59:34 UTC
I've never flown anything larger than a BS but I would imagine that Carriers and up etc are not ships that lend themselves to casual jaunts around the region hahaha

Why do we not hear more people cry for the rocks that all of the miners are melting and syphoning to their ore holds?? I had a rock collection once... boringz.

At least you got a good story out of it ... that one time I had cancer for a long time and got dropped on because I failed so hard and then went out with a bang then asked for ISK so I could likely do the same thing over again except this time would be different because... oh wait, nothing changes with or without your in-game loss.

... drops the mic and walks away ...

Thank me later :D
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#125 - 2013-10-15 18:01:44 UTC
Molica Iwaira wrote:



NCdot is totaly unrelated with what I am saying. Forgive me my difficulty for finding a frustrated dying man's post "ridiculous" but the ease with which I find the ridiculing posts pathetic. Well, don't mind me! As you said above, there are some "interesting" people like me.


You have proof that this man is dying? you seem to think we're being mean to a sick guy. We're not. We're telling a fellow player that if what he is saying is true, then he has our sympathy, but that does not extend to in game or this forum. Don't like fire, don't lite matches at an oil refinery.

Regardless of what is happening to him IRL, His character isn't dying of anything except butt-hurtitis. Accusing people (in this case the Ever Flow guys) of some kind of moral misconduct for playing a computer game correctly because real life has been unfair to him is, indeed, ridicules. As i said earlier in this thread, i stubbed my to playing EVE recently, by the OPs logic I should be reimbursed for any and all ingame loses on humanitarian grounds.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2013-10-15 18:02:37 UTC
Molica Iwaira wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Molica Iwaira wrote:



No it doesn't mean you stop before you start shooting someone "ever", but "perhaps" stop before posting something which might be hurting to the already hurt? How about that little thing?


If the poster doesn't want to be hurt by others posting, it's his responsibility to not post something so utterly ridicules in the 1st place.

You sound like a classic "enabler" telling people that the dumb things they do are ok, while telling the people who are playing totally within the rules (such as NCDot in game and the rest of us in this forum) that they are somehow doing it wrong.



NCdot is totaly unrelated with what I am saying. Forgive me my difficulty for finding a frustrated dying man's post "ridiculous" but the ease with which I find the ridiculing posts pathetic. Well, don't mind me! As you said above, there are some "interesting" people like me.


Just because someone is dying, that doesn't grant them an automatic "get away with anything" card. The reason Jenn is calling you an 'enabler' (a word that I don't particularly think suits, but oh well) is because you are allowing him to get away with dismissing his own faults in the issue, just because "oh poor you, you're dying and everyone should feel bad about that". I would argue otherwise - why is it anyone else's concern, what is there that we can do about it, and why this one guy that nobody knows a damn about beyond this thread?

Let me clarify what's really going on here for you, and sum up this entire thread tl;dr version - No one is saying that his attackers aren't at fault, we're all just pointing out that he's disregarding his own and failing to take responsibility for his own mistakes while shouldering ALL the blame on his attackers, and then using that as an excuse to defame everyone else that plays in a similar fashion. Don't you think that's earned him at least a little criticism, cancer or none?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2013-10-15 18:07:29 UTC
Molica Iwaira wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Molica Iwaira wrote:



No it doesn't mean you stop before you start shooting someone "ever", but "perhaps" stop before posting something which might be hurting to the already hurt? How about that little thing?


If the poster doesn't want to be hurt by others posting, it's his responsibility to not post something so utterly ridicules in the 1st place.

You sound like a classic "enabler" telling people that the dumb things they do are ok, while telling the people who are playing totally within the rules (such as NCDot in game and the rest of us in this forum) that they are somehow doing it wrong.



NCdot is totaly unrelated with what I am saying. Forgive me my difficulty for finding a frustrated dying man's post "ridiculous" but the ease with which I find the ridiculing posts pathetic. Well, don't mind me! As you said above, there are some "interesting" people like me.
You are such an easily manipulated ******!
He is NOT dying! He MIGHT die, but he could as well not!
Hell, thanks to morons like you every nutjob will come to the forums,
claiming to havd prostate cancer, AIDS and only one testicle ALL AT ONCE!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2013-10-15 18:09:50 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Molica Iwaira wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Molica Iwaira wrote:



No it doesn't mean you stop before you start shooting someone "ever", but "perhaps" stop before posting something which might be hurting to the already hurt? How about that little thing?


If the poster doesn't want to be hurt by others posting, it's his responsibility to not post something so utterly ridicules in the 1st place.

You sound like a classic "enabler" telling people that the dumb things they do are ok, while telling the people who are playing totally within the rules (such as NCDot in game and the rest of us in this forum) that they are somehow doing it wrong.



NCdot is totaly unrelated with what I am saying. Forgive me my difficulty for finding a frustrated dying man's post "ridiculous" but the ease with which I find the ridiculing posts pathetic. Well, don't mind me! As you said above, there are some "interesting" people like me.
You are such an easily manipulated ******!
He is NOT dying! He MIGHT die, but he could as well not!
Hell, thanks to morons like you every nutjob will come to the forums,
claiming to havd prostate cancer, AIDS and only one testicle ALL AT ONCE!


Truthfully though, we're all dying.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#129 - 2013-10-15 18:13:02 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:

I'm torn on this one. On the one hand I'm sure this stuff happens and it sucks. On the other hand it sounds awfully similar to a 2 year old story on kugutsumen.

Anyway, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and wish you the best

--Ero

Yes because we all know that similar things could never happen to different people. Roll
Molica Iwaira
Perkone
Caldari State
#130 - 2013-10-15 18:13:05 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Molica Iwaira wrote:



NCdot is totaly unrelated with what I am saying. Forgive me my difficulty for finding a frustrated dying man's post "ridiculous" but the ease with which I find the ridiculing posts pathetic. Well, don't mind me! As you said above, there are some "interesting" people like me.


We're telling a fellow player that if what he is saying is true, then he has our sympathy


That is a feeble but good starter attempt there, thanks. No we certainly cannot be sure he is dying, but his friend who mediated - without his knowledge and consent - the setup confirmed this. On the other hand, is the official hospital records the only thing which would prevent us from being mean?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2013-10-15 18:16:22 UTC
Molica Iwaira wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Molica Iwaira wrote:



NCdot is totaly unrelated with what I am saying. Forgive me my difficulty for finding a frustrated dying man's post "ridiculous" but the ease with which I find the ridiculing posts pathetic. Well, don't mind me! As you said above, there are some "interesting" people like me.


We're telling a fellow player that if what he is saying is true, then he has our sympathy


That is a feeble but good starter attempt there, thanks. No we certainly cannot be sure he is dying, but his friend who mediated - without his knowledge and consent - the setup confirmed this. On the other hand, is the official hospital records the only thing which would prevent us from being mean?


Define 'mean'. Is criticism mean?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2013-10-15 18:17:14 UTC
I know it's been said before, including on BattleClinic, but...

"WELCOME TO EVE!"

*~*Confetti!*~*

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Baaldor
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#133 - 2013-10-15 18:19:43 UTC
Molica Iwaira wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Molica Iwaira wrote:



NCdot is totaly unrelated with what I am saying. Forgive me my difficulty for finding a frustrated dying man's post "ridiculous" but the ease with which I find the ridiculing posts pathetic. Well, don't mind me! As you said above, there are some "interesting" people like me.


We're telling a fellow player that if what he is saying is true, then he has our sympathy


That is a feeble but good starter attempt there, thanks. No we certainly cannot be sure he is dying, but his friend who mediated - without his knowledge and consent - the setup confirmed this. On the other hand, is the official hospital records the only thing which would prevent us from being mean?


It is a frigging game, who gives a flip if his thing is going to fall off or he has anal warts.

You normally play a game to "escape" the issues you are dealing with at the time, and not bring the crap with you unless you are fishing for sympathy.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#134 - 2013-10-15 18:23:49 UTC
Molica Iwaira wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Raxlaa wrote:



So perhaps, instead, if you are in an emotionally sensitive situation you shouldn't expose yourself to opportunities or risks that may hurt you emotionally. Especially where pre-warned and forearmed with the knowledge a situation may actually turn bad.


Utter nonsense. What you ask for requires not only a sense of personal responsibility, but also actual self-awareness. How dare you expect people to play a video game like they have two brain cells to rub together.

Also, sorry for exploding any sarcasm meters with the above Cool.

More seriously, there are a lot of EVE players like the OP. Player who don't quite grasp the fact that EVE is an "emotional free for all" type game and thus not the best choice of past times for people who are overly sensitive (or who believe in some kind of false "e-honor").

Sensitive folks playing EVE is like being a member of the International Women's Health Coalition playing Grand Theft Auto (and being offended by all the Hoe stomping).



Hmm... So we are supposed to expect from someone who has lost everything he accumulated over the years in game (no doubt being careless, but partly because he was trusting his friend) to be emotionally unaffected....oh and btw especially when he has been fighting cancer for four years? Rocks to be in your shoes and not his, eh?

Well, I don't know if you have rubbed your own cells together when you made that claim! And yes, your sarcasm meter went off the charts.

This would require there to be two cells to rub together. Claiming jenn even had one would be showing great generosity.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2013-10-15 18:26:50 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Molica Iwaira wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Raxlaa wrote:



So perhaps, instead, if you are in an emotionally sensitive situation you shouldn't expose yourself to opportunities or risks that may hurt you emotionally. Especially where pre-warned and forearmed with the knowledge a situation may actually turn bad.


Utter nonsense. What you ask for requires not only a sense of personal responsibility, but also actual self-awareness. How dare you expect people to play a video game like they have two brain cells to rub together.

Also, sorry for exploding any sarcasm meters with the above Cool.

More seriously, there are a lot of EVE players like the OP. Player who don't quite grasp the fact that EVE is an "emotional free for all" type game and thus not the best choice of past times for people who are overly sensitive (or who believe in some kind of false "e-honor").

Sensitive folks playing EVE is like being a member of the International Women's Health Coalition playing Grand Theft Auto (and being offended by all the Hoe stomping).



Hmm... So we are supposed to expect from someone who has lost everything he accumulated over the years in game (no doubt being careless, but partly because he was trusting his friend) to be emotionally unaffected....oh and btw especially when he has been fighting cancer for four years? Rocks to be in your shoes and not his, eh?

Well, I don't know if you have rubbed your own cells together when you made that claim! And yes, your sarcasm meter went off the charts.

This would require there to be two cells to rub together. Claiming jenn even had one would be showing great generosity.


In the time I've been watching him post now, which is a while now, I can honestly say, he has much more brain capacity than you give him credit for, but that's beside the point now isn't it. Attempting to discredit the man instead of the point he makes only demonstrates that you have no argument against the point he makes. His intelligence is invalid in this case, but if you are unable to argue against the point he has made, then aren't you demonstrating less intelligence than him as a result?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#136 - 2013-10-15 18:34:07 UTC
Molica Iwaira wrote:


That is a feeble but good starter attempt there, thanks. No we certainly cannot be sure he is dying, but his friend who mediated - without his knowledge and consent - the setup confirmed this. On the other hand, is the official hospital records the only thing which would prevent us from being mean?


So the friend confirms it. Now did you confirm the friend?

This is a forum for a video game, not a cancer survivor support group.

A supposedly sick person posted a ridicules post basically saying that NCdot should be ashamed of themselves for (and I can't believe I'm typing this) rudely destroying his spaceships in a spaceship game. By posting this he invited criticism. If he didn't want criticism, he should not have posted.

But rather than hold him responsible for his irresponsible posting, you blame us. Have you ever been to GD before? This forum and rough and rugged, don't like getting hit in the face, you should probably avoid boxing rings.
Molica Iwaira
Perkone
Caldari State
#137 - 2013-10-15 18:37:36 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Molica Iwaira wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Molica Iwaira wrote:



NCdot is totaly unrelated with what I am saying. Forgive me my difficulty for finding a frustrated dying man's post "ridiculous" but the ease with which I find the ridiculing posts pathetic. Well, don't mind me! As you said above, there are some "interesting" people like me.


We're telling a fellow player that if what he is saying is true, then he has our sympathy


That is a feeble but good starter attempt there, thanks. No we certainly cannot be sure he is dying, but his friend who mediated - without his knowledge and consent - the setup confirmed this. On the other hand, is the official hospital records the only thing which would prevent us from being mean?


Define 'mean'. Is criticism mean?



Are you serious? Qualifying some of the posts in this thread as anything nearing "criticism" would be a gross kindness to their posters. Well.. anyway, I am done here.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#138 - 2013-10-15 18:40:06 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


In the time I've been watching him post now, which is a while now, I can honestly say, he has much more brain capacity than you give him credit for, but that's beside the point now isn't it. Attempting to discredit the man instead of the point he makes only demonstrates that you have no argument against the point he makes. His intelligence is invalid in this case, but if you are unable to argue against the point he has made, then aren't you demonstrating less intelligence than him as a result?


Why yes, yes he is.

I've spanked Hawkeye and Anslo so much on this forum (and have the likes to prove it, see, Likes ARE valuable) that their postings are even less intelligent than they were when we started, and that's saying something. The fact that they have to snipe at me means I own them, and it's a good thing this is a game instead of IRL, because slavery is illegal IRL Twisted
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2013-10-15 18:44:17 UTC
Molica Iwaira wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Molica Iwaira wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Molica Iwaira wrote:



NCdot is totaly unrelated with what I am saying. Forgive me my difficulty for finding a frustrated dying man's post "ridiculous" but the ease with which I find the ridiculing posts pathetic. Well, don't mind me! As you said above, there are some "interesting" people like me.


We're telling a fellow player that if what he is saying is true, then he has our sympathy


That is a feeble but good starter attempt there, thanks. No we certainly cannot be sure he is dying, but his friend who mediated - without his knowledge and consent - the setup confirmed this. On the other hand, is the official hospital records the only thing which would prevent us from being mean?


Define 'mean'. Is criticism mean?



Are you serious? Qualifying some of the posts in this thread as anything nearing "criticism" would be a gross kindness to their posters. Well.. anyway, I am done here.


The way you're implying 'mean' though, you're doing the polar opposite and qualifying everything that doesn't address the OP with "poor you" as mean. I merely asked a question. I never once suggested that there is nothing mean on here or qualified anything as anything, that's what my question was for, I was asking you to define 'mean', to qualify what you think of as mean and to see if you understand the difference between criticism and intentional cruelty. So let's try again.

Define 'mean'.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2013-10-15 18:47:03 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


In the time I've been watching him post now, which is a while now, I can honestly say, he has much more brain capacity than you give him credit for, but that's beside the point now isn't it. Attempting to discredit the man instead of the point he makes only demonstrates that you have no argument against the point he makes. His intelligence is invalid in this case, but if you are unable to argue against the point he has made, then aren't you demonstrating less intelligence than him as a result?


Why yes, yes he is.

I've spanked Hawkeye and Anslo so much on this forum (and have the likes to prove it, see, Likes ARE valuable) that their postings are even less intelligent than they were when we started, and that's saying something. The fact that they have to snipe at me means I own them, and it's a good thing this is a game instead of IRL, because slavery is illegal IRL Twisted


To be fair, though, you have a bad habit of thinking you've spanked everyone. I rarely, if ever, see you defer to a good argument or compromise your position in light of opposing evidence. But, in this case, there's very little to argue with you on. And if there is something, then no one's brought it up yet.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104