Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am not sure how it can be "debatable to say the least" for the Stratios.

Current fittings seem to allow a shield buffer fit with MWD, WD, about 42 k EHP and 990 DPS without heating HPLs (see below). Stats that a BC would be very happy with, aside from the better speed, COCD etc. Even an armour COCD fit with a single DDA offers about 47k EHP, 745 DPS without heating FMPLs (see below), alongside 5 mids (a lot for a T1 armour-focused cruiser).

It may not offer the same Sentry performance as a Ishtar but 5 mids and a full BW allocation lets it do it better than either the Vexor or Myrmadon. It also won't matter much in a Black Ops hotdrop if portals are opened in or near tackle range.

I would suggest limiting the introduction of new, very powerful COCD ships to AT prizes. For example, by toning down the power of the Stratios with something like a BW of 100.

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Edit: The quick example fits mentioned above are pasted in.
Can obviously be optimised with nanofibers/different resist-buffer balance/fitting implants etc. The lack of hard tackle (shield fit) and/or tracking bonuses is offset by having fleet mates (e.g. Recons) and IMO should be balanced with that [lack of a] drawback in mind.

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[Stratios, BOBS example]
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

54-50-63-69 resists
~42 k EHP
227m signature

1714 / 2457 m/s
4.1 / 6.3 s align

202 / 248 DPS with Warriors/Hobs
322 / 397 DPS with Valks/Hammers
645 / 793 DPS with Berserker/Ogres

175 DPS at 10+5 and 0.140 tracking (IN MF)
195 DPS at 10+5 and 0.098 tracking (Conflag)
139 DPS at 31+5 and 0.105 tracking (Scorch)

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[Stratios, Armour example (2% PG implant]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
10MN Afterburner II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 200
[Empty Mid Slot]
[Empty Mid Slot]

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I

78-79-79-71 resists
~47 k EHP
150m signature

1264 / 1799 m/s (MWD)
484 / 628 m/s (AB)
5.3 / 7.5 s align

148 / 183 DPS with Warriors/Hobs
238 / 292 DPS with Valks/Hammers
475 / 585 DPS with Berserker/Ogres

146 DPS at 9+4 and 0.155 tracking (IN MF)
195 DPS at 9+4 and 0.108 tracking (Conflag)
139 DPS at 28+4 and 0.116 tracking (Scorch)

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All that made me wet my pants, besides the 4 turrets part, Wish it hadrocketbonus instead of lazers or something :( but thats not to important.

A covert ops drone ship that can explore and actually have a decent cargo! woop.

well, you honestly just got me at covert ops droneship.

Besides the giant rock, the Sin, that ship is to huge and slow.
I will buy these, fly them even if I cant affordt them and probably make em explode a few times also.

One thing all these OP uber-gank fits have been relying on is that there opponent will be attempting to flee.

If the ship has to much DPS it needs to be set closer to normal drone ships stat wise.
It needs -1 high slot, all drone ships have -1 slot and it usually is a high slot.
Its turrets need to be reduced to 2, that will help with the LOL-gank setups.
Its powergrid needs to be reduced accordingly, this will help limit dual prop mods, and huge shield buffers.

mm... yes all drone ships have -1 slot so these should also lose a slot

The cruiser is a drone ship, 125mbps of bandwidth, 500m3 drone bay, 10% drone damage and HP per level of gallente cruiser.
These things make it a drone ship, a 50% reduction (which most amarr players hardly call a bonus) does not make a laser ship.

Logically, if you reduce all this, it stops being a drone ship. Also, like the poster right above said, it's an exploration ship. Not a "drone ship". There already enough of those.

There are no more drone ships than there are ships focused to any type of weapon, so if there are enough of drone ships there are enough of all of them thus having "enough" is a meaningless criteria. Aside from stating that if they changed it to be something other than a drone ship offensively it wouldn't be a drone ship you have not put forth a compelling reason for actually doing so.

The more I consider these ships, the more I come to the conclusion,I was wrong to suggest compromises to help make them more acceptable to others.You give a little and before you know bit by bit the ships will have been crippled and neutered.Sad little things, where if left alone,as offered,they would have been great.

Some people assume they know what the developers have decided, unless they are in secret developers, they have no right to tell us they are only designed for hi sec or low sec.

I believe, in my opinion,
That these ships are designed as true explorers,everywhere.

I would be happier to see them with a larger cargo hold,

I would like to see them with full bonuses, yes maximum possible, to scanning and relic and data hacking, I want the best when I am far from home. Why settle for less if the ship is to be the definative explorer?

Weapons are probably good enough, balance seems fine for Exploring roles, but What level sleepers did you have in mind? Stratios to solo C3 would be awesome.
Definately an Extra high on the Asteros and cpu to assist, I would like space for a salvager, some nice sleeper loot out there and salvage drones won't do it.

That is what I want on the Explorers, as an Explorer,

You might want something completely different,

But unless you are developer or CCP Representative , you have no right or special knowledge to tell us what we may or may not have, or what it has been designed for,

Ccp please continue and ,make these ships Full Fat Explorers.

The shield gank setup using 4 drones and an assumed 25% laser damage which is probably the amount of damage bonus you would be looking for.


This setup would still do 975 DPS, while down from the blaster ogre setup most would still say is way to high for a cloaky ship.

As is almost anyone (sorry Caldari pilots) can cross train into the Stratios with minimal SP investment as Minmatar ships have some armor tanks and a decent number have drone bays, Amarr is an armor race with a weapon of drones and Gallente is an armor race with a weapon system of drones, making all those races (relatively) quick to fly an armor drone pirate ship. Caldari being the only ones who are exclusively shield and operate with minimal drones would have a lot of SP to invest to pilot this ship.

If the ship becomes more laser focused it creates longer cross training times for non-Amarr pilots (and even longer for Caldari).