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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-10-11 05:26:34 UTC
I get to play with a new toy tomorrow. I am veryrecently fully spec'd for the vengeance and I'm going to take her out of t he hangar tomorrow.

4 x rocket II

mwd
scram
web

DC II
400mm plate II
Ancillary rep
mapc

acr
nano pump

The mapc/acr are so I can fit the 400mm + rep and mwd. I'm not in FW space. This is is for solo & heavy tackle in small gangs. My question is: Of I meta the dc & plate I can fit a neut or even a nos in the 5th high slot. Or if I just meta one of them I can fit an auto cannon or a blaster. Should I? Is it worth the possibly significant loss of ehp?

Any other suggestions?
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#2 - 2013-10-11 07:27:49 UTC
if your running as the heavy tackle dont sacrifice your ehp for that other stuff. imo just not worth it. from what i can see the fit "looks" sound for what you want to do with it. I mostly fly the retribution rather than the vengeance so lets hope for a 2nd opinion on it Blink

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2013-10-11 09:08:58 UTC
I wouldn't plate a vengeance i think.. Its kinda tight on fittings.

I always prefered to go fast in it, its already pretty much the manliest AF when it comes to tank anyhow.

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Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#4 - 2013-10-11 09:44:50 UTC
Yeah, I generally run more ganky than people expect on the Vengance, catches people off guard a lot and still plenty of tank for frig fights.

I'm pretty sure I run;

Rocket II x4
200mm AC

MWD
Scram
Web

DC
SAAR
BCU
A-Type Thermic Plate (2-4 Mil)

Anti-Em Pump
Bay Loading Accelerator II

People dont expect Vengances to do like 250 DPS out to the edge of scram range, plus it has really good cap, ~8k EHP and a 160-170 Heated tank with paste.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#5 - 2013-10-13 15:08:39 UTC
vengeance used for tackling should have prrimarily 125s...

400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Ancillary Current Router I

I do not know what kind of dps it has, but it got a 20k ehP tank, 22k fleeted and towards 30k with a CS, which should be considerably more compared to what an active setup can generate in a short time frame. If you are running outside of lowsec, dualprop and a 200mm plate might be better.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-10-13 18:37:52 UTC
I've had a couple good fights with the fit that I posted but changed it up a bit. Nite it is dual rep with an cap injector... rigs fir damage and range.... the tank it's actually better and it hits hardee
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2013-10-14 07:16:22 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
I've had a couple good fights with the fit that I posted but changed it up a bit. Nite it is dual rep with an cap injector... rigs fir damage and range.... the tank it's actually better and it hits hardee


Enjoy killing only bads.

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Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#8 - 2013-10-14 15:37:17 UTC
Confirming dual rep fit is balls for fighting anyone competent. They'll just pull range and warp. I like to fly mine in 2 variants, the MWD/Scram/Wev version which has a nice balance of gank and tank, and the AB/Scram/Web version, which is all tank.
Here are the 2 fits:

Vengeance: Shamelessy stolen from TrouserDeagle

Highs:
Rocket Launcher II (x4)
Small Diminishing Power Systems Drain I

Mids:
Limited 1mn Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Lows:
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer (2 mill more than the C-Type)
Coreli A-Type Thermic Plating
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Rigs:
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

This fit is a blast to fly, and is simply beastly in the tank department. For the AB fit, I simply fit tank rigs instead and upgrade to a DCU II, and fit an AB II of course.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2013-10-14 19:28:52 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Confirming dual rep fit is balls for fighting anyone competent. They'll just pull range and warp. I like to fly mine in 2 variants, the MWD/Scram/Wev version which has a nice balance of gank and tank, and the AB/Scram/Web version, which is all tank.
Here are the 2 fits:

Vengeance: Shamelessy stolen from TrouserDeagle

Highs:
Rocket Launcher II (x4)
Small Diminishing Power Systems Drain I

Mids:
Limited 1mn Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Lows:
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer (2 mill more than the C-Type)
Coreli A-Type Thermic Plating
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Rigs:
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

This fit is a blast to fly, and is simply beastly in the tank department. For the AB fit, I simply fit tank rigs instead and upgrade to a DCU II, and fit an AB II of course.


Quite sure you never EVER saw that tight fisted bastard using a A-type repper :P

But that is indeed his fit otherwise. Its excellent, i'd recommend it for using a veng.

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-10-14 20:34:58 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Confirming dual rep fit is balls for fighting anyone competent. They'll just pull range and warp. I like to fly mine in 2 variants, the MWD/Scram/Wev version which has a nice balance of gank and tank, and the AB/Scram/Web version, which is all tank.
Here are the 2 fits:

Vengeance: Shamelessy stolen from TrouserDeagle

Highs:
Rocket Launcher II (x4)
Small Diminishing Power Systems Drain I

Mids:
Limited 1mn Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Lows:
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer (2 mill more than the C-Type)
Coreli A-Type Thermic Plating
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Rigs:
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

This fit is a blast to fly, and is simply beastly in the tank department. For the AB fit, I simply fit tank rigs instead and upgrade to a DCU II, and fit an AB II of course.


The only difference in my fit is that it is the ab version, but with a sar II / saar combo and I replaced the web with a cap injector. However, after flying the thing I really miss the web and find that I can perma-run the sar II and just pulse the saar. I haven't checked to see if there is enough cpu to swap the injector back out for the web but that is my plan.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#11 - 2013-10-15 03:19:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Inkuras
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


Quite sure you never EVER saw that tight fisted bastard using a A-type repper :P

But that is indeed his fit otherwise. Its excellent, i'd recommend it for using a veng.

Heh, yeah the A-Type rep is something I threw on. I definitely think it is worth the 16mill. Also, if you've got even more spare isk, and A-Type Nos will fit quite snugly.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone