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[Proposal] Buff Hisec mining and industry
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Sator Nyatt
Nulli Secunda Holding
Nulli Secunda
#1 - 2011-11-16 22:58:16 UTC
Hisec industry needs a bit of a buff, the margins are razor thin. To encourage this, (un)fortunately, more things need to be blown up and minerals taken out of the system.

CCP, could we please have -

1) A concerted investigation into drone region botting, which i believe accounted for 1/3 of minerals in the game at present?

2) Hisec ship losses used to be much higher than now, perhaps skewed by insurance fraud. Could we possibly look at:
2a) A slight buff to the higher tier insurance payouts
2b) Reduction in time for concord response, making well planned ganking viable in higher security systems
2c) a slight buff to NPC Rats DPS across the board to make missions and anomalies slightly harder and make more ships explode.
2d) a look at the faction warfare mechanics so that faction warfar can be carried out into hisec as well, and get more people involved with blowing things up.

This will hopefully encourage more ships exploding and as such, will boost mining and industry margins.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-11-16 23:02:17 UTC
Sator Nyatt wrote:
Hisec industry needs a bit of a buff, the margins are razor thin. To encourage this, (un)fortunately, more things need to be blown up and minerals taken out of the system.

CCP, could we please have -

1) A concerted investigation into drone region botting, which i believe accounted for 1/3 of minerals in the game at present?

2) Hisec ship losses used to be much higher than now, perhaps skewed by insurance fraud. Could we possibly look at:
2a) A slight buff to the higher tier insurance payouts
2b) Reduction in time for concord response, making well planned ganking viable in higher security systems
2c) a slight buff to NPC Rats DPS across the board to make missions and anomalies slightly harder and make more ships explode.
2d) a look at the faction warfare mechanics so that faction warfar can be carried out into hisec as well, and get more people involved with blowing things up.

This will hopefully encourage more ships exploding and as such, will boost mining and industry margins.


how is this a buff to mining and industry again?

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#3 - 2011-11-16 23:21:54 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Sator Nyatt wrote:
Hisec industry needs a bit of a buff, the margins are razor thin. To encourage this, (un)fortunately, more things need to be blown up and minerals taken out of the system.

CCP, could we please have -

1) A concerted investigation into drone region botting, which i believe accounted for 1/3 of minerals in the game at present?

2) Hisec ship losses used to be much higher than now, perhaps skewed by insurance fraud. Could we possibly look at:
2a) A slight buff to the higher tier insurance payouts
2b) Reduction in time for concord response, making well planned ganking viable in higher security systems
2c) a slight buff to NPC Rats DPS across the board to make missions and anomalies slightly harder and make more ships explode.
2d) a look at the faction warfare mechanics so that faction warfar can be carried out into hisec as well, and get more people involved with blowing things up.

This will hopefully encourage more ships exploding and as such, will boost mining and industry margins.


how is this a buff to mining and industry again?


Simple economics actually. Supply is inversely proportional to demand and vice-versa.

The more ships that get destroyed, the higher the demand for the replacement of said ships, and thus the more that need to be manufactured. Thus the more minerals that would need to be gathered to manufacture said ships. Therefore creating a new supply to replace what was destroyed.

This creates more work for the legitimate Industrial pilots in the game (if bots are removed, there will be less competition for materials against them and real players) and may actually lower the prices of certain items which have been targetted for RMT, say.. PLEX (which if you have been watching recent market trends) have had their prices rising at alarming rates due to inflation created by ISK Faucets (Bot Mining and Incursions).

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#4 - 2011-11-16 23:39:00 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
how is this a buff to mining and industry again?


War is the engine that drives the universe. Just like any other consumption-driven economy, destruction is more valuable than construction.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#5 - 2011-11-16 23:40:29 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
how is this a buff to mining and industry again?


War is the engine that drives the universe. Just like any other consumption-driven economy, destruction is more valuable than construction.


Well put.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#6 - 2011-11-16 23:44:55 UTC
Apologies for restating what you'd already posted :)

I should refresh before submitting my carefully crafted verbiage.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#7 - 2011-11-17 00:01:10 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Apologies for restating what you'd already posted :)

I should refresh before submitting my carefully crafted verbiage.


Quite alright. It's worth saying more than once, because a lot of people won't read the more verbose explanation due to short attention spans.

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Sephiroth Clone VII
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2011-11-17 00:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephiroth Clone VII
margins are razor thin because anyone can do it with plenty of slots in empire stations and safe access to market hubs, furthermore lots of bots and multiboxers mining the low ends.

If a person has 10 accounts running with minimal activity on their part on working, they will consider mining even if its just 10-20 a hour in a hulk, multiplied by 10 that's 100-200 hour for minimal effort. They will do it, with not a care in the world of the prices needing to be higher to sustain desires of one person doing it part time of the day.

Also lots of.... the 'minerals I mine are free' kind of manufacturers. People buy the item at the cost of of below minerals, because people are too stupid to check before they manufacture something because it seems cool.

It needs no boast, people just got to be less stupid and go for things that are NOT unprofitable.

The lack of profit or any is all generated by players.

1. Do tech 2 like lots of other people in empire, and of the right items, those have profit.

2. For planetary interaction, you can extract (no cost) or take p2 and make it into p4 with a daily profit that can be measured in the tens of millions per day per char.

3. Mine lots of minerals, reprocess and sell them, never manufacture anything unless any significant profit exists for minerals, more the what they would sell for, because extra effort could be used for more extracting minerals.
Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding
#9 - 2011-11-17 08:07:19 UTC
Drone region botting affects nullsec waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than high sec. They get craptons of mega and zyd, not trit and such. For that look to highsec botters because there's TONS of them. Mining and Industry in highsec are doing fine and dandy. If you don't like your margins, find a new region to work in. You'd be amazed at the differences between the different trade hubs. Jita may have what you make dirt cheap while the same item in rens is at double the cost.