Jita Park Speakers Corner

Since you're uninterested in facts and unencumbered by experience, you can tell yourself whatever story you like, and even believe it.


How restful. I envy you.

Well it amuses those who are also rational.

Problem is, you cannot seriously argue with such delusions and such irrational people. The moment you start taking them seriously - they win. So its either ignore them, or ridicule to the point when its obvious to everyone, that what they are saying is total nonsense.

Now that I have stopped laughing at Red Templer, Malcanis is perfectly rational, he posts on pushing the 0.0 agenda, simple as, which is of course to force people out of hisec. His attitude and sarcasm is aimed at anyone who has a differing view to him, it is hugely destructive to the CSM in that it reinforces the view that the CSM is focussed mainly on 0.0 and the pew pew point of view, people who post a differing view on the CSM forums meet his scathing wit and insults which makes them unlikely to bother to continue to post, which is what he wants and which Red Templer unwittingly reinforced with his ill considered post.

His posts make the gap between the CSM's 0.0 bias and the hisec block ever wider, which is why so many people in highsec do not vote in the CSM elections, why give it legitamacy.

That being said, I think that there is a benefit for having player interaction with the developers and one can see that the active CSM members do a very good job, but one hopes that the CCP developers undestand that the CSM is only a representative of part of the game population.

The CSM should really think hard on having Malcanis as the first responder on their forums, because his attitude alienates people who post here with a different view point and who the CSM does not in any way shape or form represent.

EDIT: An example, a very well written post on this thread which is number 29, then see Malcanis's reply to it, makes the point doesn't it!

Red Templar pretty much nailed it. There's no point arguing with people who fling "when did you start beating your wife" style accusational questions, because their confirmation bias is so strong that anything ones says or does is simply taken as further 'proof' that one is GUILTY!!!!!. In which case, why worry about it? One might as well please oneself.

Like the person to whom I made the reply above, who probably really does believe that I want to "drive people out of hi-sec". He has a 'picture' of who Malcanis is in his mind, and he will simply ignore anything that contradicts it, or, because he knows that I want to drive people out of hi-sec, if there is evidence that he can't simply handwave away, then he will claim it's deliberately falsified or else quote-mine some sentence fragment to "prove" that I want the exact opposite of what I have gone on public record to say I want (and even based my election campaign on).

With such people, there's no point being respectful or sincere or constructive; I don't respect them, I have nothing to say to them, and there's nothing there to build on.

So I entertain myself with them instead. Why shouldn't I?

Given these excellent examples of just how out of touch some members of the CSM are, do we really need people like this representing our wants and desires for this game to CCP.

There is of course the fact that in the last few CSMs they have become more of a PR arm for CCP than they are the representatives of the players.





I am not sure how "White Knighting" for CCP fits into the greatest good for the greater player base. While not all of the members of the CSM have been defending CCP dispite the apparent displeasure of the playerbase, some have and they have been the most vocal.

The CSM was created in the wake of the T20 crisis, now it appaers they would not be able to spot another T20 crisis if it ran up and punched them in the nose.

It is now apparent that a Douglas Adams quote has become reality in the CSM.

It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
-- Douglas Adams

The CSM is little more than a voice for CCP, it no longer speaks for the players, it needs to go.

There is no need to drag this out another year with a CSM9, just kill it at the end of this term, the forums are a far better example of what the players want in the game than the CSM.

I believe the quote that fits best is

" I can't be bothered to talk to naive children."

Yes you were a lot more sharply critical of CCP before you joined the CSM.

As I said all it is now from the CSM is a harsh note then spending the next few weeks defending CCPs actions.

The players elected the CSM to be their voice but all we see is a voice for CCP. Stuff the relationship with CCP, if access means that you are no longer the voice of the players then frankly we don't need the CSM.

From the start the CSM, from my understanding, was to actually take the ideas and concerns from the masses of autistic squirrels and try to format any "rational" points into a format that every one can agree on and understand.

And from there, a discussion can be initiated to see if it is viable in business sense and fits the model and spirit of this game.

But apparently, now we have some nerd rage from folk that believe that if they voted, they are entitled to some sort right that what is supposedly wanted from the masses, then it should be so.

The only thing going on here is that you have a minority of self important and self entitled little **** bags, that will most likely leave the game for something else after they get what they want, leaving us to continually deal with the crap they left behind.

Essentially they did not get what they wanted so now they are throwing their toys out of the pram.

Oversight? In order to do that you have to have unfettered access to whatever it is you are supposed to be "over-sighting" and who the hell do you think is going to enforce any wrong doings..seriously.

CCP stuck their dingus in a few too many holes granted, and T20 was not one of their smoothest PR moments. But seriously the folks that were voted in were folks that were to take the wailing from the masses and make sense of it and share it with CCP.

CSM is nothing more than just a group of players that happen to have some sense (Well short of Ank and Jade) to actually present solid ideas to CCP for future growth.

However, CCP is a privately owned company, we pay them for a service, and they allow us to log in. So, basically it is their world and we are just trying to find a nut. The fact that they invited some players to sit down and beak bread says quite a bit.

The only heart burn right now, is that folks are not getting what they want to satisfy their self entitlement rage.

Anecdotal, Malc has been nothing but polite in any conversation with me and with topics covering hisec.

Said it before and I will say it again. We do work with CCP in regards to issues like the most current one but please do not discount what we do if you do not hear the conversations we have behind closed doors. Wait to see if there is an effect, a change.

If we make no difference, nothing gets better, this CSM term then it our fault, not the process, not the office, our fault.

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I am sure he is polite to his mother too, don't confuse a working relationship with forum behaviour, Malcanis is posting on the forums as he was before he was elected, that is perhaps acceptable in the other parts of the forums, but these two sections should not be turned into his personal play ground which certainly seems to be the case. If you cannot see the impact that has on the hisec player base who don't exactly have a culture of interacting unless roused out of their slumber to post by some nerf that they find unacceptable then you are missing a trick, these people normally only post when they are fed up, so of course its going to be a bit of a rant, do I need to spell that out, and the first CSM member they meet is Malcanis who ridicules them to shut them up, he is a public relations disaster in terms of interacting with the hisec player base.

And in this very thread he admits to posting to shut people up who he disagrees with by using ridicule, either you want to interact with your hisec player base or you don't, so far it looks like you don't!