Intergalactic Summit

There is oblique Scriptural evidence for different magnitudes of penalty (emphasis added):

There seem to be a few distinct lines of thought here.

First, that Rogue Drones are a violent threat.
Second, that Sleeper Drones represent less of a threat than Rogue Drones, at least in potential for concerted attack.
Third, that Sleeper Drones would be targets for "assimilation" by Rogue Drones.
Fourth, that Rogue Drones do not represent a cohesive entity that can be negotiated with.

It is intriguing that none of these arguments conflict with my initial observations, but instead attempt to paint Rogue Drones and Sleepers as nothing more than resources to be harvested or targets to be destroyed.

Other parts of the discussion are less interesting to me specifically. Religion and the views of Amarrians in relation to the quest for power are well known to me. I find the arguments... tiresome and repetitive.

Please continue discussing these topics though, it is an enlightening discussion.

Some questions:

What evidence is there that Rogue Drones could pose a threat to Sleeper Drones?
Where would such conflict arise?
Why would Rogue Drones seek out Sleeper Drones?
Is there any evidence that Rogue Drones could even make use of the construction materials used by Sleeper Drones?

The absence of evidence here is interesting.

Sleeper Drones have far more advanced systems. Self-correcting heuristic AI, distributed network processing, tremendous processing power. Combine this with isolated defense, communications and navigation systems we are left with very little room for Rogue Drone AI to gain access to such technology. Salvaged technology recovered from New Eden would be the only potential source available to Rogue Drones.

The most interesting counter to this would be the obvious similarity between some Rogue Drone hives and Jovian structures. Though there is a potential explanation for this, some suggest that the Jovian aspect of this technology makes it superior to that of the Sleepers. This is a false assumption; similar form does not necessarily denote similar function or similar capabilities. Further study would be required.

Advanced material knowledge, however, is a necessary for both Jovian architecture and Sleeper technology. As many scientists point out, design principles of both Sleeper technology and Jovian architecture are similar. This has led many researchers to conclude that the Sleepers are ancestors of the Jovians. While this theory has yet to be proven, it is highly probable. My own research suggests multiple convergent elements.

How do Rogue Drones figure into this? It is more than likely that Rogue Drones have acquired bits and pieces of technology from ancient cultures. The biggest difference, however, is the highly centralized nature of the Drones themselves and their lack of fluid router access. This would suggest a purposeful design choice, one that when placed in contrast with Sleeper Drones suggests a possible reason.

Sleeper technology could be used to hack nearly any fluid router connection in New Eden. Conversely, the "cell" structure of Drone Hives suggests a need to defend against possible infection of the greater collective. Given the wide assortment of technologies available to them, fluid router communications would be beneficial to Rogue Drones. Yet, they do not use this technology.

Why?

A Jovian design element to Rogue Drones may hold a key to this. If Sleepers share ancestry with the Jovians, then the Jovians would perhaps know about the Sleepers. By extension, Jovian members of the Society of Conscious Thought would potentially know of them as well. The name itself has an uncanny duality does it not? Conscious Thought, the opposite of Sleep.

Additionally, the cell structure of Drone infestations makes it difficult to understand how a ubiquitous design such as the "Jovian" style Rogue Drone hives can propagate.

So, a question. If there are no Jovian structures within known space, how did the Rogue Drones develop structures so eerily similar? One possible answer presents itself, but it is of course too wild to comprehend. Other possibilities rely on random occurrences far too unbelievably random to assume probable.

I have been hard pressed to reconcile this potential paradox. Why the duality? Why taken to such an extreme? The answers do not satisfy me, and the alternative is even more confusing.

Thoughts?

Regarding the morphology of Rogue Drone hives: The construction pattern used by rogue drones appears to be hexagonal-closest-packing arrangement. HCP is ubiquitous in nature and has a simple build algorithm. It is found in insect colonies, mineralogy, and warehouse storage software. It does allow for a damaged or infected cell to be cut off from the others, but it also allows for compartmentalization of tasks, unbounded expansion of a structure, efficient usage of space, and easy cell specialization. Assuming that HCP has been chosen primarily as a defensive measure against hostile Sleeper drones is a little premature, I fear :s

Regarding the non-usage of fluid routers by Rogue Drone hives: Without knowing the utility function of the network we can make no guesses as to why they do not use fluid routers. Any guesses would be based on an assumption that the Rogue Drone network is isomorphic to our own decision-making structures. This may be true, but it seems unlikely.

This is a leading statement, ma'am, and built on supposition.


I'm not sure of the answer, but can provide some alternatives to help your study.

- Both structures may be based on simple, efficient algorithms, such as the Fibbonacci sequence, which is itself simply a longest-edge-squared algorithm. Deeper examination of the microstructure of the constructions may be telling, if one could get close enough to an undamaged one to do a thorough study.

- Exposure to Jovian technology - Capsule control systems or other algorithms gifted us by the SOCT/Jovians - may be integral in the decivilizing of drones and the formation of Rogue Drone algorithms. This may be purposeful or accidental.

- Rogue Drone Hives may be mimicking structures sighted by scouts that have ventured into Jovian territory.

- Rogue Drone Hives may be under the direct control of Jovian overseers.

- Rogue Drone Hives and the Jovians may be under the direct control of the shadowy lizard-queen parliament.


Be careful of forming hypotheses too quickly, ma'am. Do not decide on the site to build your work until you have thoroughly investigated all possible grounds, else you might find yourself building your castle on the ice. Good luck!

Considering the ease with which the humanity has colonized nearly all of Anoikis, I am not at all convinced that the defences of the Sleepers pose much difficulty to the advance of the Rogue Drone infestation. A single lesser drone mother alone could definitely tank and probably also conquer most of Anoikis without any hardship.


Is there any evidence for the centralized nature of the Drones? To my limited knowledge, although the drone mothers perform important hosting and processing functions for the Hives, they do not seem to perform administrative functions as individuals. If you destroy the drone mother, the peripheral units still continue to perform their duties, and this suggests the nature of their organization might actually be distributed.


Well the SOCT still exists and has representatives you can contact, but as far as I know, they have never given any reason to believe in this connection. Perhaps we could ask them.



Similar function often results in similar designs. Both Jovians, Rogue Drones and the Sleeper civilization are on an advanced technological level, which usually comes with a high degree of optimization. If there is a best way to perform a task, it is likely that, given enough time, all technologies regardless origins will converge to this optimal solution. As an explanation for the observed similarities, technological convergence requires much fewer additional assumptions than a supposed historical contact between these three entities.

Oh I agree, rouge drones have destroyed so many faces in New Eden already...



Aren't you exaggerating it a little ? They are programmed for make up, yes, but I have yet to witness ships and drones with gigantic horrendous cosmetics painted across their faces...



Was it so afraid of the helpless look of its owner that it decided to flee ? And all those housemaids faces literally ruined after that cosmetic rampage. The horror.



Wait... those things gather in gangs, and hide in our closets where all the make up is stored ?

I must agree, I am practically seeing red :)

Oh Galnet, messing up translations since the dawn of time.

Thread locked at the polite request of the OP.