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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#21 - 2013-10-13 19:29:35 UTC
A Research Alt wrote:
I still don't see why CCP doesn't add a "Lawyer" skill that reduces security status lost on aggression by 5% per level.


Such a feature should allow us to pay a high retainer, such as 1 billion isk, for a lawyer agent to represent us and negate all sec status losses. Those of us with isk should not have to endure the penalties the masses face or have to bother with turning in tags. At the very least, let us have people do that for us.

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voetius
Grundrisse
#22 - 2013-10-13 20:23:16 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
A Research Alt wrote:
I still don't see why CCP doesn't add a "Lawyer" skill that reduces security status lost on aggression by 5% per level.


Such a feature should allow us to pay a high retainer, such as 1 billion isk, for a lawyer agent to represent us and negate all sec status losses. Those of us with isk should not have to endure the penalties the masses face or have to bother with turning in tags. At the very least, let us have people do that for us.


That would be a nice isk sink and it's not that cheap.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-10-13 21:08:45 UTC
A Research Alt wrote:
When you kill a player's ship or are involved in its destruction, you lose approximately .3-.4 of your sec status, regardless of whether the ship is worth 5 million or 50 billion ISK.

When you kill a pod, you lose 2.5 or so of your sec status,whether the pod has no implants or a full set of crystals (~3 billion).

This security status loss does not appear to have any bearing on the value of the ISK destroyed nor the severity (or lack thereof) of the crime committed.


What this means is that you can blow up billions of ISK worth of ships, but shoot so much as a single alpha-clone pod and you can expect a security status loss commensurate with having murdered 10 to 15 highsec ships.


This doesn't make any sense. Podkilling shouldn't be incurring so much of a loss--what's so devastating about it compared to the ISK loss from ships like a 50 billion ISK freighter? Meanwhile, pilots who shoot such expensive ships get off with the slightest of scratches to their security status.

The solution: lessen pod security status loss to -1.0 or so, while increasing security status loss for ship destruction to twice what it is already--so -.6 or so. Pod killing is unjustly penalized, while ship killing is too lightly penalized. This change can fix that problem.


When you kill John Doe from next door, you're probably going to get life in prison

When you kill the President of the United States, you're probably going to get life in Prison.

It doesn't matter the value of ship/pod...what you did was illegal either way, so you must pay the piper to the fullest extent of the law.

What did we learn? Dont kill people.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#24 - 2013-10-14 02:27:53 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
ACE McFACE wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
The solution you're looking for is to leave high sec.

And what about low-sec, where you still lose sec status for attacking people?


What about it? Sec status means nothing in lowsec.

People with low sec status can be attacked without repercussions in low sec. I'm not complaining about it but it does show that sec status does mean something.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#25 - 2013-10-14 04:12:27 UTC
Posting in a stealth "Nerf Highsec" thread.

A highsec pod is more likely implanted than a low/null pilot.
A highsec pod is more likely to have forgotten to update a clone, since they do it much less often.

Higher risk, higher cost to pod.....

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-10-14 04:47:17 UTC
.... grrrrrrrrrr, CONCORD... Roll

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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#27 - 2013-10-14 05:24:16 UTC
Not to mentioned that Pods have no defence.

With your ship you have a option to Tank it , Fit stabs , or fit to shoot back ect ect. What can you Pod to (other than warp away) .

PS. Why complain at all. If you don't want the sec hit then don't shoot the pod. Its not like it has any loot you can pilfer or that you have to put much effort in.(most Miners are AFK so its not like they warp away)
Kialopreyst
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-10-14 05:48:24 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I personally don't wanna hear about this Luxury Problem.

Especially now that you can buy back your sec status with ISK.

Gimme a break. Roll


Sure, you can buy back your nice 0.0 sec rating for 1b, or you can spend 2 days AFK ratting it back and make 1.8b instead.
Linna Baresi
#29 - 2013-10-14 06:10:55 UTC
The general principle is (and ought to be) that everyone is equal under the law, and that the murderer of of a pauper should be persecuted with as much vigor as the murderer of a billionaire. That's realism for you. Working as intended, don't fix.

Now if you automatically got a BOUNTY commensurate with the amount of ISK you just destroyed, that's another kettle of fish.

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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-10-14 06:12:11 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
ACE McFACE wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
The solution you're looking for is to leave high sec.

And what about low-sec, where you still lose sec status for attacking people?


What about it? Sec status means nothing in lowsec.


Sentry guns.

It's not a huge deal though, it's less "it sucks people can shoot me on gate" and more "I sure wish I could shoot other people on gate"

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#31 - 2013-10-14 18:04:30 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
ACE McFACE wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
The solution you're looking for is to leave high sec.

And what about low-sec, where you still lose sec status for attacking people?


What about it? Sec status means nothing in lowsec.


Sentry guns.

It's not a huge deal though, it's less "it sucks people can shoot me on gate" and more "I sure wish I could shoot other people on gate"



You and I both know that sentries don't stop anyone from getting shot on gates. I get shot on gates when I'm not flashy, and I shoot people who aren't flashy on gates, too. The question in low is whether or not you think you can kill someone before you take too much sentry damage or their friends show up. High sec is a CONCORD instagib.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-10-14 18:13:24 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
A Research Alt wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
The solution you're looking for is to leave high sec.


Alas, if only I could make everyone else do the same.


You needn't make them do anything; let them have their cesspool of false safety.


It wouldn't be a cesspool of 'false safety' if there was no one around to generate the risk now, would it.

However, I disagree with the OP. There is more to a pod kill than just the value of the implants. There is the humiliation, for starters, and the messages it sends (both psychological and sociological), and the inconvenience to the pod pilot, who now has to spend money upgrading a new clone (not terribly expensive, but still costly). It's pretty easy to get a legal pod kill on a miner without taking a sec hit, though. Just find one with drones out.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Transmaritanus
Exergy.
#33 - 2013-10-14 18:37:45 UTC
Real men live at -10.

Cowards live in highsec.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#34 - 2013-10-14 18:46:20 UTC  |  Edited by: BoBoZoBo
Of course it makes sense.

If you go into the street right now - and shoot someone with $10 in their pocket, the police will respond just as the same as if they had $1,000 in their pocket.

Now, if you want it to be "realistic," - then the response should be based on the wealth and social class discrepancy between the two parties, modified by the amount each side donates to various political factions and bribes paid to those who enforce those political factions' will.

Primary Test Subject • SmackTalker Elite
CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
Deepwater Hooligans
#35 - 2013-10-14 20:03:23 UTC
No. The penalty is for the act, not what the act is perpetrated upon.
Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-10-14 20:32:54 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
wardec them.


Tried that in the past, game won't let me wardec Center for Advanced Studies P
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#37 - 2013-10-14 20:38:27 UTC
A Research Alt wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
A Research Alt wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
The solution you're looking for is to leave high sec.


Alas, if only I could make everyone else do the same.


You needn't make them do anything; let them have their cesspool of false safety.


No. I won't. It's too easy for them to earn money there; too easy for them to grow rich and fat without penalty; too difficult to engage and destroy some while too easy to annihilate others.

Then find a way to work within the system and stop asking to the system to meet your needs.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#38 - 2013-10-14 20:46:27 UTC
You don't like the sec status hit? Don't shoot/scram pods. Problem solved.

Stop whining you self-entitled crybaby, and do what every other pirate in EVE has been doing for years and grind your sec status back up when it gets low. Geez, you got Clone tags now and that makes it even easier to grind sec status. Lazy ganker is lazy.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#39 - 2013-10-14 21:00:06 UTC
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#40 - 2013-10-14 22:08:55 UTC
I will have you all know my corporation greatly feel for your security status problems. To aid my fellow capsuleers in endevours that border the line of Empire legality, we strive to have as many clone tags on active market orders conveniently placed at a DED station nearby.
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