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OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#641 - 2011-11-16 19:16:05 UTC
Phantomania wrote:


Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.

Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!

Missile Pilots want Equality!

Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!


/signed


/signed

Also, I think the T3 mini and armarr BCs should fit only missiles and the gallente one only drones. Because, that totally makes sense.

The real reason they said screw it on torpedos is that missiles have serious issues which they are not interested in fixing.
Justin Cody
War Firm
#642 - 2011-11-16 19:19:03 UTC
Fioda Skiza wrote:
All the Caldari players who will suddenly realize after the expansion that they did NOT get a new ship to fly..
I seriously think that you don't want that situation. Give them a decent torpedo boat before it's too late.



you are too young of a char to understand how much this rail buff is needed
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#643 - 2011-11-16 19:20:25 UTC
Phantomania wrote:
Gempei wrote:
Phantomania wrote:
Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!

I am Caldari, most skills in missiles, but torpeda Naga is unusable ship, calm down, do no spam chats, thanks!



meh, cruise missiles or some fixed bonus's for torps, it'll be nice!


So, can I put you down as signed?


Sure, have a cruise Naga.. however you need to have an explosion velocity and radius penalty of about -60% But then you'll cry that your ship is completely worthless.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#644 - 2011-11-16 19:21:02 UTC
Keep the Naga as is, just add two bonuses for torps and missile hardpoints.



Problem solved.
Jaak ONeill
Stargate Kommand
#645 - 2011-11-16 19:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaak ONeill
OT Smithers wrote:
Phantomania wrote:


Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.

Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!

Missile Pilots want Equality!

Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!


/signed


/signed

Also, I think the T3 mini and armarr BCs should fit only missiles and the gallente one only drones. Because, that totally makes sense.

The real reason they said screw it on torpedos is that missiles have serious issues which they are not interested in fixing.


i agree; but why is it that caldari should use hybrids of all guns; gallente ships are going to be like vagabonds but not caldari ships. ok i understand where the whole war began and probably the hybrids come from there but what about the amarr in all the story; they benefit from missiles like on damnation, sacrilege or vengence hell even on legion and caldari dont benefit from lasers? all the top end ships for caldari uses hybrids and thats why they fail because they get bonuses to not damage, not tracking but optimal range? so no blaster option; come on ccp start being serious
i understand that without much tank u want sniping option adn with missiles not dealing instant dmge u probably gona pop before u even hit your target but come on; if we need guns give us lasers; its the whole HAC story again cerberus versus vagabonds
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#646 - 2011-11-16 20:04:38 UTC
Jaak ONeill wrote:

i agree; but why is it that caldari should use hybrids of all guns; gallente ships r gona b like vagabonds but not caldari ships. ok i understand where the whole war began and prolly the hybrids come from there but what about the amarr in all the story; the benefit from missiles and caldari dont benefit from lasers? all the top end ships r caldari uses hybrids and thats why they fail coz they get bonuses to not damage, not tracking but optimal range? so no blaster option; come on ccp start being serious


Can someone translate this into english?

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Mapets
Echelon Research
Goonswarm Federation
#647 - 2011-11-16 20:07:16 UTC
33 pages alwready
25 are about the Naga

Till the testing is over can we have the oportunity pls of testing it with these bonuses:

-role bonus-ability to fit cruise missile and torp launchers

-BC skill-10% bonus to cruise and torp missile velovity and 5% kin missile dmg (or rof) /bc skill lvl

, should smwhat be the point of testing on the test srv no ? Test out more options and analize the feedback on the variants....

Do not limit the bonuses to torps tho !! the oracle is not limited to pulses , can also fit tachions ! And minie thing can also fit both wep sistems ! Make it missile boat not torp only :p
i hatechosingnames
Insert Corporation Name Here
#648 - 2011-11-16 20:09:34 UTC
How about have the Naga fit damage bonused Cruise missiles but give it penalties to the missiles flight time so they can't outrange everything.

I can hit to 220km in a Raven for 450 dps with cruises
I can hit to 35km in a Raven for 810 dps with torps,
Let the Naga hit out to a max of 100km for 600 dps (Drake can hit to 65km for 400 dps)
OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#649 - 2011-11-16 20:15:55 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
dumb carebears....


Your killboard is not exactly impressive there princess.
Whiteknight03
Trilon Industries and Exploration
#650 - 2011-11-16 20:17:49 UTC
I was hoping to be able to finally fly an interesting torpedo boat this winter. Guess I'm going to have find something else to do.
Bloutok
Perkone
Caldari State
#651 - 2011-11-16 20:19:47 UTC
+1

I love missiles. give me missiles. MORE.
Velarra
#652 - 2011-11-16 20:29:22 UTC
Naga, - Hybrid & EWAR platform? Perhaps a few midslot ECM modules instead of MSE/Mag-stab buffer... and a flight or two of ewar drones?
Allaera
Kalmincon
#653 - 2011-11-16 21:00:42 UTC
Phantomania wrote:


Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.

Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!

Missile Pilots want Equality!

Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!


/signed


No, I bloody will not sign it. It's high time Caldari got a useful turret boat!!

Thank you CCP for giving the Naga an identity, not some fail Drake trying to be a Raven (we all know how effective PvP Ravens are right? Roll)
Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#654 - 2011-11-16 21:09:33 UTC
Thank you CCP for not making the Naga a missile boat... missiles are worthless in pvp, and if you put missiles on the Naga it still wouldnt compete with the Tengu, Drake, or Raven in the area of pve. Keep it as is on sisi with the hybrids.... even though hybrids will still need a greater buff than what theyre getting before they can compete with projectiles/lasers.
Kalot Sakaar
CragCO
#655 - 2011-11-16 21:22:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalot Sakaar
Am I looking at the blueprints wrong? Or is the Talos, easily the worst, is also the most expensive of the 4 ships (material requirements based.) The one that has to commit to every fight and surely get lost more times than not? I've never understood why Gallente ships are the most expensive when they are the most likely to be lost in PVP due to their in close fighting requirement. Silly. No wonder they are hardly flown. All this complaining about the Naga just points to how many Drake pilots are out there and want to transfer their missile skills to the Naga.

I have to agree. Give them their missles, and re-do the Talos for rails vice blasters. Or, if its going to be a fail blaster boat then at least make it the cheapest.
Vile Adventurer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#656 - 2011-11-16 21:29:41 UTC
Even though I`m very new to this game...
/signed

I would sacrifice my soul to fly this if it were a missile boat!
It is soooo sexy ;)
Exodus 4D
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#657 - 2011-11-16 22:06:05 UTC
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Apex Bex
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#658 - 2011-11-16 22:45:44 UTC
/signed.

The Caldari Hybrid boats are amongst the least flown in the game, often seeing ships like the Rokh reduced to having a full bank of Miner II's or smartbombs. I'm quite certain we'll see plenty of Naga's in HiSec asteroid belts very soon, either ganking with blasters or mining the rocks.

I tested the Naga on Sisi and it was severely gimped when fitted with Siege II's. Fitting any sort of meaningful tank or prop mod was almost impossible and cost you way too much in the way of damage mods to be effective. Moreover, the range limitations compared to its' counterparts meant it would have very limited survivability in a fleet engagement. However, that doesn't mean you just discard the idea. You ramp up the PG and CPU or change the fitting bonuses slightly.

It can be done, no question about it. I just can't figure out if it's apathy or outright laziness that got in the way.

Disciple of Bob
I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#659 - 2011-11-16 22:46:03 UTC  |  Edited by: I'm Down
The real issue with the Caldari rail boat that people gripe about is that the gallente already have one. The issue I see is not quite as much about caldari as it is about rail gallente. A while back I posted this idea, but I'm going to refine it a bit:

Talos:

600 drone bay,

8 high slots, 4 turret points
4 mids
5 lows

10% to Sentry drone Optimal, tracking, and control range per level
40% to Sentry drone damage per level

This makes it a highly unique glass cannon concept because it maintains mobility, and boost it's skills with a very limited drone selection. The ship is going to be utter **** with any drones beyond sentries. It gets a larger than normal drone bay to help cope with losing drones. Fittings are going to limit it's neuting ability to medium only and tank is going to be very weak with only 5 lows and limited base armor and powergrid. This makes it highly unique, even to the drone boat platform, and very weak. Because it's sentry drones, frigates and most cruisers can still get in under the tracking limits, while BC and BS are going to be very succeptable.

As for the Naga, I want to repost this because it sorta got lost earlier. Again, the premise is to make this tier of BC highly unique within the game, thereby changing dynamics up a bit from the old conventional wisdom.


I'm Down wrote:
Why not just give the Naga a 20% Railgun only range bonus per level and added lock range. If you still feel it needs a 2nd bonus, make it a bonus to tracking computer effectiveness so that It can boost it's tracking effectiveness greatly, but at the cost of any remaining tanking ability.

This allows it to hit at about 90 km with solid dps and tracking, or higher range with crap tracking, but even more glass cannon problems since it can't fit it's mids with shield extenders.

In a way, it becomes a glass cannon form of the pulse apoc with high tracking and dps at good mid range. This boost it's alpha ability and makes it the king of ranged dps, but even more highly susceptible to close range ships.
The Underdark
Perkone
Caldari State
#660 - 2011-11-16 23:16:37 UTC
I mean you no offense but a glass cannon drone boat, is a rather terrible idea. it would need massive massive buff's to get anywhere near the damage potential as the other tier 3's, not to mention no longer be an oversized weapons platform as intended.

it could very easily be converted to be an anti-small ship vessel with speed and tank and just amazing amounts of light and medium drones as well.