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New SOE Ship Name Sources

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Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#1 - 2013-10-03 15:56:41 UTC
I wrote a bunch of words on this topic. Astero and Stratios seem like basic boring Greek names that might be stuck on a typical Gallente ship. But are they?

It May Not Make Sense At First

Comments welcome.

Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary

Amann Karris
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-10-04 01:41:20 UTC
Rhavas wrote:
I wrote a bunch of words on this topic. Astero and Stratios seem like basic boring Greek names that might be stuck on a typical Gallente ship. But are they?

It May Not Make Sense At First

Comments welcome.

Mentioned on the backstage forums, but I'll go in-depth here:

Overall SOE Design Philosophy:
Something that might be relevant:

http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=5376.msg87727#msg87727

Long story short:

These are names that point to the beliefs of the Sisters; a common origin of mankind and a view that the other side of the EVE Gate is that home.

There is a point here though. It's not just names that are significant. It's the theory behind them, the ships they are attached to, and the organization behind them. The Sisters believe in humanity; above technology, above immortality. A religion worshiping what, in their view, was the "point of separation" between them and their origin -- The EVE Gate.

In that respect, the references to biology make sense. Anoikis is a reference to the Sleepers, a "cancer" on humanity. Separate from the "body" of mankind.

Overall SoCT Philosophy:
In this respect we can see the difference between the Sisters and their core rival, the Society. The Society is also interested in the origin of man, from a philosophical point of view. The Gnosis is the clue here; the symbol for Gnosticism is the symbol for Earth. The search for knowledge, the search for self, the search for home. It tracks pretty well. It also tracks with the pseudo-theology built around the Jovian benefactors; the Enheduanni/Architects.

Whether they know it or not, they are looking for that home. The symbol for the Society becomes more clear in this light:

It is the EVE Gate.

Sleepers and the Architects
The third thing to know; The Sleepers.

Immortal, forever asleep. Targets for both the Society of Conscious Thought (literally the polar opposite of the Sleepers, even in name), and the Sisters (as immortals).

The "Architects", or "Archi", or "Demiurge" are something more. Seen as a sort of Devil by the SoE? Most likely. Seen as the deity who was deaf to the plight of the Jove, and seen as an enemy to the SoCT? Most definitely. The Sleepers using the Architect's technology would make them a target for both.

Which brings the Syndicate, linked to the Sisters through Silphy. Ante points the way;

Anta (Architecture)

Anta, derived from Ante. Pillars to the entrance to a greek temple. For the Sisters of EVE, what would be the greatest temple to enter?

The EVE Gate

The next? W-space. More easily traversed by capsuleers. Hence, the need to use capsuleers to gather data. Which leads the Sisters to the Syndicate, and providing the Zephyr. Look at the design of the Zephyr, and the design of the new Sisters ships, and at the design of Sleeper ships. The new Sisters ships bridge the gap between the Zephyr and the Sleeper ships.

So, the question: what do the SIsters need from capsuleers now?
Tylo Tungsten
Mega Global Compucon
#3 - 2013-10-04 02:35:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tylo Tungsten
Hey, I saw this post on Reddit, and it got me really fascinated that there may be some over-arching purpose to all the Eve Lore after all.

But, I have a long history with MMOs, and I am inherently distrustful that their meaning stands the test of time. Typically the people who make an MMO and the people who run it are never the same people (at least not for very long). And when the new people take over, well, it's like trying to have another author finish your book. CCP may be an exception to this rule, but there is the fact that CCP Dropbear has left.

From what I understand with my limited knowledge, he was a big driving force behind the story of Eve, was he not? Can anyone with more knowledge tell me if he was THE authority? Or if he picked up the torch left by someone else?

Has anyone truly picked up the torch for him since he left? I have seen the old forum post linked in your excellent article on the new SoE ships where he hints at there being answer and meaning to what the Sleepers are, and wormholes, and all the rest, but that it is hidden very carefully in-game and out.

Long story short, I feel a strong pull to get obsessed with Eve's lore and story but do not want to find out it's all awash with inconsistencies and suffering from "design by committee" (if you catch by drift).
Amann Karris
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-10-04 21:08:51 UTC
Tylo Tungsten wrote:
Long story short, I feel a strong pull to get obsessed with Eve's lore and story but do not want to find out it's all awash with inconsistencies and suffering from "design by committee" (if you catch by drift).

My firm belief is that there is a "plan". Different individuals are filling in those details, but it's building upon what is already there. Much like a TV show or comic book with different writers, creative directors, editors, etc.

You have to realize that a lot of the lore has to be worked in around development timetables and plans. They have to fit what they put out to what is actually being made in the game. Sometimes that means certain stories need to be pushed to the side in order for the game to continue to develop.

I say throw yourself in to the lore, but don't let it consume all your game time. Have fun, and look at the lore as a supplement to what you're already doing. That way you don't get burnt out or too heavily invested.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#5 - 2013-10-05 20:21:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
This whole thread takes me back to a much maligned little shuttle that was released way back when... The Apotheosis..

Interestingly, The shuttle, speaks of one interpretation..

"The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods." The Apotheosis is rumoured to work both ways..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#6 - 2013-10-14 12:40:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
With respect Amann, I believe the Gnosis here suggests the search, not for self, but for unity, or Henosis.That which the Jove have always been searching. The Enheduanni were forcing their vision of unity upon the Jove by way of the Construct. Many of the Jove escaped this trap and found an alternative.

As evidenced by the Ruins of Enclave Cohort 27, there was, at some point, a breakdown of Law and Order in Anoikis, a great escape, if you will. As the counterpoint to the Sleepers, the Society was most probably the force behind this breakdown of law and order.

Which brings us to Dagon.. Just who do we think the rogue Jovian was turned over to? The Rogue Drones? Or another emerging society whose architecture mimics what we know of Jovian architecture?

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Amann Karris
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-10-14 18:27:02 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
Which brings us to Dagon.. Just who do we think the rogue Jovian was turned over to? The Rogue Drones? Or another emerging society whose architecture mimics what we know of Jovian architecture?

Grious used Drones to send a message to Marcus Jror. It's not that much of a stretch to think that either Grious or other Jovians could have done something similar in this instance.

That opens up a lot of different possibilities, and suggests that all the Empires in New Eden were represented at the meeting (in one form or another).