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Goonswarm taking candy from babies via a legitimate looking website.
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DrunkenNinja
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#1 - 2011-11-16 22:35:37 UTC
I knew Goons scammed people... but this is something else XD
www.goonfleet.net
In the recruitment channel, type something like "Australian active pilot looking for pvp corp!" (etc) and you may well be approached by a Goon.... who will give you this link :P.
After looking at your API key he will determine a security deposit that is "fair" (for me it was 30 mil, about a third of what I had in my wallet at the time) and give you a sponsorship key.
You heard me, a sponsorship key. Goonfleet actually endorse this behaviour to the point that they made a phony website for more efficient scamming. GG WP.

Wait, 30 mil, you ask? Why would Goons talk to you for an extended period of time just to get 30 mil?

It seems not only do Goons conduct the big, well known "500 mil security deposit, we promise we'll give it right back!" scams, they also enjoy targeting noobs P. I was lucky I only lost 30 mil.


This may seem obvious to some, but don't give ISK to join Goonswarm (or any other corp really), no matter how nice they seem or how legit their websites look =)
Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-11-16 22:37:57 UTC
Hello, "DrunkenNinja" I am an official goonswarm federation recruitment agent and an officer of the spacelaw. This website is indeed legit. What problem did you have on attempting to join?
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#3 - 2011-11-16 22:45:50 UTC
You do know that they do sponsorships into Goonfleet as well, right? There is nothing on that site which is illegitimate, the thing is, you don't have to pay a fee to become a Goon. The scam was him asking you for money. Otherwise, everything else is 100% true.
DrunkenNinja
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#4 - 2011-11-16 22:59:11 UTC
Sverige Pahis wrote:
Hello, "DrunkenNinja" I am an official goonswarm federation recruitment agent and an officer of the spacelaw. This website is indeed legit. What problem did you have on attempting to join?


The problem, "official goonswarm federation recruitment agent" is that I got scammed, plain and simple.
But hey, it wasn't much money, im not really mad about it. I see you guys trying to cover this up in the forums with your "nice posts" all the time. 0/10, try being less obvious next time.
The point of this thread is, as the Goonswarm wiki itself says:
Don't give ISK to join Goonwaffe, it's a scam
Jak'rat
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-11-16 23:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jak'rat
Scamming players via the recruitment channel? Using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam?

Now where did that GD threadnaught go.... Big smile

"That's not a ship, it's a flying shotgun..."
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-11-16 23:07:46 UTC
Oh wait, Goonswarm just scammed 30M off a guy's pocket ?

QUICK, MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT

Seriously Roll

Peoples just don't know how to read/google. Type Goonswarm scam in google, I'm sure you'll find hundreds of links. Or ask a random guy about Goonswarm. He'll tell you what GSF is to pubbies (Even though we're nice guys and all, like, gentlemens).
Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-11-16 23:12:48 UTC
SMT008 wrote:
Oh wait, Goonswarm just scammed 30M off a guy's pocket ?

QUICK, MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT

Hey with plex prices as they are 30M of some other fools isk in your wallet is better than nothing.

Black Man with Goggles
Crias Taylor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-11-16 23:38:14 UTC
Confirming I'm a nice guy.
Hero Tackler
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-11-16 23:42:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Hero Tackler
DrunkenNinja wrote:
I knew Goons scammed people... but this is something else XD
www.goonfleet.net
In the recruitment channel, type something like "Australian active pilot looking for pvp corp!" (etc) and you may well be approached by a Goon.... who will give you this link :P.
After looking at your API key he will determine a security deposit that is "fair" (for me it was 30 mil, about a third of what I had in my wallet at the time) and give you a sponsorship key.
You heard me, a sponsorship key. Goonfleet actually endorse this behaviour to the point that they made a phony website for more efficient scamming. GG WP.

Wait, 30 mil, you ask? Why would Goons talk to you for an extended period of time just to get 30 mil?

It seems not only do Goons conduct the big, well known "500 mil security deposit, we promise we'll give it right back!" scams, they also enjoy targeting noobs P. I was lucky I only lost 30 mil.


This may seem obvious to some, but don't give ISK to join Goonswarm (or any other corp really), no matter how nice they seem or how legit their websites look =)


Scamming people in game, ok fine because internet spaceships are serious business right? But using an autonomous website out of game to scam people for whatever, there may be real world legal issues here. I shall investigate and see if we can bring a class-action lawsuit against the Goonswarm Federation and CCP for facilitating this real world scam through their ingame channels.

Progress- Here we go, looks like it's an FBI issue http://www.ic3.gov/crimeschemes.aspx

Looks like there's some real world implications here since isk has an actual dollar value by virtue of PLEX, I think CCP should promptly disband Goonswarm and ban whoever approved this to protect themselves from any liability. At least you can report the website and Alexander Gianturco, who presents himself as the leader of Goonfleet/ Goonswarm http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-09-eurogamer-interviews-the-eve-council-chairman-interview to the FBI (internet crimes division) and the website scam will be investigated/ shutdown if they promise things and do not deliver on services/ goods (scam).

More meta than you
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-11-16 23:51:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
If I was the Goonwaffe webmaster I'd switch the legit site and the scam site around every month or so.

That way, google and forum searches would give contradictory ''SCAM!'' ''Not a scam!'' responses.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Crias Taylor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-11-17 00:12:05 UTC
Good thing I moved my isk assets into bitcoins. Good luck getting judgement money out of me.
Hero Tackler
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-11-17 00:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Hero Tackler
Crias Taylor wrote:
Good thing I moved my isk assets into bitcoins. Good luck getting judgement money out of me.


I don't think anyone is concerned about isk or bitcoins, you can roleplay a scammer all you want in game, but in the real world, scammers get... you know, investigated and arrested and stuff. You guys are the ones who took it out of game with the Goonfleet site.

More meta than you
BringerMC
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-11-17 00:35:41 UTC
Crias Taylor wrote:
Good thing I moved my isk assets into bitcoins. Good luck getting judgement money out of me.


No; if you were behind it they would seize all your assets including your bitcoins and throw you in jail. Conartists and Scammers get more jail time than pedophiles; weird but true.

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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-11-17 00:38:37 UTC
Crias Taylor wrote:
Good thing I moved my isk assets into bitcoins. Good luck getting judgement money out of me.


Hypothetically, even if you did that and the government still had a judgment against you, they'd go after your property.

Including your BitCoins.
Crias Taylor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-11-17 00:41:03 UTC
I buried my bitcoin bullion.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-17 00:56:14 UTC
Hero Tackler wrote:
Scamming people in game, ok fine because internet spaceships are serious business right? But using an autonomous website out of game to scam people for whatever, there may be real world legal issues here. I shall investigate and see if we can bring a class-action lawsuit against the Goonswarm Federation and CCP for facilitating this real world scam through their ingame channels.

Progress- Here we go, looks like it's an FBI issue http://www.ic3.gov/crimeschemes.aspx

Looks like there's some real world implications here since isk has an actual dollar value by virtue of PLEX, I think CCP should promptly disband Goonswarm and ban whoever approved this to protect themselves from any liability. At least you can report the website and Alexander Gianturco, who presents himself as the leader of Goonfleet/ Goonswarm http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-09-eurogamer-interviews-the-eve-council-chairman-interview to the FBI (internet crimes division) and the website scam will be investigated/ shutdown if they promise things and do not deliver on services/ goods (scam).

ahahahahahahaha this guy is awesome, never stop posting

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-11-17 00:57:37 UTC
A: Everyone knows this.

B: Its now considered an petetiionable offense to scam in recruitment channel. so he should petition.

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SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-11-17 00:57:48 UTC
The use a website claiming that we will give you back your 500 million spacegold because you gave it to us in the first place as a recruitment fee isn't illegal.

Also, ingame money doesn't have any real world value, because you can't convert ISK to dollars (You can convert dollars to ISKs though).

And, I should sue you for wasting 5mns of my life that I spent reading this ridiculous "real world scam".

Oh, and Mittens is a lawyer actually. I think he knows how real world legal issues work.

So feel free to investigate about how peoples give us money just because we said we will give it back. It's called "misplacing your trust". I can do the same in real life without any kind of troubles. Why ? You didn't sign any kind of contract. Everything you give to me, I'll consider it a donation, and since no contracts have been signed by you, I can do whatever the fsck I feel like doing.

No contracts between you and me => No obligation for me. Simple as that.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2011-11-17 00:58:36 UTC
as crias taylor's space lawyer i demand you cease these slanderous allegations immediately

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#20 - 2011-11-17 01:25:15 UTC
Please tell me that everyone who makes these threads is a goon alt so I can mantain my dwindiling faith in humanity.
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