EVE General Discussion

I don't know how many of you with old toons are actually old, (I have an idea, I've been around on my oldest since feb 04, just don't know the exact number) but if you recall, it used to be quite easy to get monopolies on almost everything in game, mainly because of your age in game, but also partly from the amount of effort, which, depending on your method of monopoly, didn't have to be very much active time actually in game.

Over the years EVE has gotten more and more idiot friendly. (yes, it has gotten more new player friendly too, but I rank idiot and new differently) Although EVE is still pretty much the 'hardest' MMO in existence that matters in any way, it is no where near the challenge level it used to be, which is what made it so fun. I have 7 (yes seven) active accounts that are mine that I pay for, and yes, I'm about to admit to a breach of the EULA when I state that I also pay for 3 friend's accounts, one of which they just don't have the money to pay for while the other 2 I play with since they got bored with EVE. Only, I don't really play these days. It's been about 2.5 to 3 years since I started 'playing' with my indy alts as my primary toons, I 'sold' my Wyvern, still have my Nyx (because the nyx is just that awesome esthetically) and although I have taken them in and out of 0.0 on occasion, I don't have much to do with the politics there as it's pretty much just a really big joke gone way too far considering that there's a large number of rash new players (2 years of age or younger) that are for some idiotic reason are in more control than they should be allowed to have.

Thing is about that.... all the players that were fed up with it have either retired from 0.0, left the game, or commit suicide (yes, I know of 1 instance where in RL someone commit suicide and they had 1 of the reasons being that their MMO they played couldn't give them the stress relief they needed, that MMO being EVE. I think this was some time in 2009 or 2008. no, I did not know him in RL or what his game name was, it was on one of the news sites I read and I've never forgotten about it.)

anyways, here's a mail that I came across with various 'friends' of sorts:

Re: Re: incursions
From: ***********
Sent: 2011.11.17 16:00

could not have said it better myself. Well if your in the mood it would be fun. I may try out skyrim. not sure its my kind of game though.

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Re: incursions
From: *********
Sent: 2011.11.16 11:56
To:**********,

well, if you're asking if my accounts are inactive, they aren't.

I ... kinda desire to take a bit of a 'break' of sorts.... mainly playing Warcraft 3 and a few others .... Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, the original C&C, C&C Generals, Starcraft (with expansion) Starcraft II, etc.

I don't know when I'll be 'actively' back, but my accounts aren't going inactive, so if you want to chat via mails or what ever.... we can do that. considering that the tier 3 bc's aren't going to be a limited seed.... there's not an effective way to even attempt to monopolize the market for them.... this game isn't what it used to be.

the only true monopolies left are vastly vastly vastly researched t2 bpos that you can manufacture from..... but no one's doing their damned best to try to keep the markets undercut to wipe out the inventors that have access to moon goo...... and you really can't use super caps everywhere, not to mention not that many people really want them..... yeah, effectively no way to monopolize stuff these days.... it isn't the game it used to be. the super powers aren't as powerful as they used to be for the primary reason that the oldest guys (most anyway) got driven off because of all the nerfs to the stuff that pretty much only they could do, or others that skilled specificly for those things.... which still took at least 1.5 to 2 years to be effective wtih.

this game sucks these days...... it isn't as fun as it used to be..... no where near.

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incursions
From:*******
Sent: 2011.11.15 22:40
To:*******,

When will you be on next?

TL;DR Get off my lawn you dirty kids!

And I thought that I was bitter vet.

I suppose you could ask CCP for a T3 bpo that allows you to create T3 hulls, with the only bill of materials = 1 unit of tritanium. That should make for a good monopoly. Screw all the 2 -3 year "newbies". They are beneath you. Nobody likes wormholes, anyway. You deserve to be rewarded with being crowned honourable king of eve. CCP owes you that. Now stand up and DEMAND IT!



I started in 06, so you probably do consider me a newbie.

What do you want? Really? I call troll.

EDIT:

P.S. I think you meant for the title to say 'Whining'

Not sure I understand your point op. The game is too easy because it's too hard to find something to monopolize?

Personally, I think you are burnt out. I'm around from 2004 and I think the key to my longevity has been the fact that I do not play with alts or second accounts. Sure, i could afford it, or even fund them with isk via plex, but I know it will, for me at least, turn this game from a space adventure into a job. I get the sense that that could be what really drained your interest.

Is having a monopoly, or somehow having a character that's 'better' than others the way you perceive winning in this game? Sure, some aspects of Eve have been 'dumbed down' as you say, but the smart still thrive, probably moreso than before. It just seems you are not allowing yourself to enjoy the journey. I really think that's the point of a game like Eve. You might honestly be better suited to play a different mmo, one with a clearly defined endgame, where you can get that top gear and show it off to your friends. Maybe that's just more your style. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, just giving my thoughts since you posted this thread.

lol, I've been saying this for years, that EVE is getting more and more idiot friendly. as you are a 2006 player I would imagine you can remember the t2 bpo seeds that would occasionally pop up with various patches, the fact that they were very limited, and not a constant seed, and insanely expensive, usually with the same people who already had them being the only ones who could effectively purchase them that wanted them.

and I guess what I most dislike about things is that we as older players don't have the drastic upper hand we used to have.CCP's made it easier on the new players to have our effective capabilities with less time spent subscribing to EVE, thus negating a lot of skilling solely for a few things alone, taking years to achieve those capabilities.

if you think that I'm trolling I really don't care. I've been saying this stuff for years and years and years, pissing off a lot of people when they realize I'm 100% serious. I just really don't post on EVE's forum much (let alone forums in general).

lets face it.... if there's an uber ship that's uber, was designed to be uber, could only be made in a few parts of 0.0, you go through the effort to make the uber ship, fly the uber ship, and then actually do it.... and then it gets nerfed to hell, would you be happy? I mean.... isn't the point of having the 'uber' ships (that take forever to train for) to completely pwn the opposite side? in this instance, yes, I am talking about motherships ... sorry, 'super carriers'

another one on those lines is the command ship. although it doesn't take years to train effectively, it does take quite a while... with 'effective' training taking slightly over a year to a year and a half depending on what you want to do with it (starting from scratch). In pure offense/dps fits, command ships take vastly longer to train for than t3's, have been in the game vastly longer than t3's, while t3's don't take that long to train for in relation to other 'uber ships', and they can completely pwn command ships 1 vs 1 (in most cases) due to the multiple insane bonuses the t3 ship gets, effectively allowing newer players to achieve 'similar to equal' footing as the older players in vastly less time, which doesn't even stop at that point.

if I need to go on with other examples I can and will.

so, just out of interest - you think that benefiting one group of players over another is a way to run a business?

You don't think that giving older players advantages over newer players is going to see a decreased likelihood of these newer players becoming older players?

I don't think you have though this through from any perspective other than your own.

I personally would rather have a level playing field where skill/smarts/knowledge will give you an advantage rather than simply when you started playing (beyond the obvious "older players will have more sp").

although I wasn't trying to state it that way, yes.

You see that's the problem right there.


In order to "win" at EvE you need to have multiple accounts.

Multiple accounts because you need scouts to go anywhere in 0.0 as there is nothing left for most of the people out there to do but kill anything that is not blue.
Multiple accounts because you can't trust anyone to buy or sell with without getting scammed so you make your own stuff
Multiple accounts because you can't trust strangers in your corp because of corp theft and spies
Multiple accounts because you need an alt for every role whereas one pays for the other or supports the other: an indie alt, a PVP alt, a scouting alt, a mining alt, a missioning alt - did I miss anything?
Multiple accounts because when one is camped into a station you need another one to play on.
Multiple accounts because you need that (possibly neutral) RR
Multiple accounts because fleeting up with more than 2 people is like herding cats


Could it be that there are a lot of flaws in this game due to mechanics and general asshattery that is "solved" with multiple accounts?

And how does such a game survive in a global economy that is going to the dogs?

How many people leave this game because they end up thinking "Ok so the only way to play this game is to pay for more accounts? And who makes the money for those extra subs, the people who made the game such that you need extra subs? What kind of scam is that? Screw this".


Things are going to have to change if there is to be a future. Because even now, a 7 sub player is cheezed at something and if it's not the game itself, there goes 7 subs. Perhaps this game will die if say 40,000 players leave, because how many subs do they have?

CCP needs to find a way to make this game appeal to INDIVIDUAL players and lots of them. When it's "multiple subs or die", it looks like a scam.

If you truly have 800 billion liquid isk; it's ok quit, you've already beaten Eve.

Now go beat Angry Birds. We won't miss you.

You know, I don't have a problem with the super rich. Neither in Eve nor in real life. Rich and super rich alike are good for any economy. My tolerance it appears, reaches its tipping point when they start openly complaining about how hard it is to stay super rich on the backs of the serfs.

Seriously the door's over there dude. And get your own FuckinCar.