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BREAKING NEWS: Heth’s ship spotted in Black Rise

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-10-12 08:51:42 UTC
I propose this: if and when open hostilities occur, any Federal detachment should stay docked in combat-ready ships on the Federal side of the border. If the State detachment request assistance or Heth attempts to cross into Federal territory, deploy to combat.

I don't think that, realistically speaking, there's a better solution than that.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2013-10-12 09:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Those of you who are non-combatants and are wondering how to help...

This engagement is likely to include large number of ships with gravitonic reactors. When a large number of these devices go off, it tends to cause tidepool effects in the fabric of space - these are basically harmless to a proper ship, but wreak havoc on escape pod sensors, beacons and other systems. Anything that isn't robust and properly shielded.

Ships with decent sensors from a neutral party could cut the amount of time that crews who make it to the lifeboats spend in space dramatically. You could also seriously reduce the number of crew that get 'rescued' by Sansha loyalists.

Wherever the battle takes place, it will be in one of the LEAST developed systems in Caldari space. The battle will likely see casualties in the tens of thousands. The orbitals will be initially staggered in their response - there will be shortages of qualified staff, space for triage, medical supplies and equipment, AIMEDS and other useful resources. Any Caldari organisations who can arrange for qualified and trained medical personnel who are capable of tying in with the local organisations would be welcome.

In the immediate aftermath there will be a serious dislocation of normal services and a massive but temporary increase in population in the system. Few of these people will have thought to bring enough food, expecting to find it locally. The nutrient tankage of the Orbitals will likely be exhausted, so any food you can bring with you for distribution will be a help. In addition it will take time for the Corporations to repatriate crews who have been released from medical bays. These people will likely be in various stages of trauma - any counsellors that you can provide will have all the work that they can handle.

I hope that this provides you with inspiration.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#43 - 2013-10-12 14:14:26 UTC
You make my bending over backwards to perform humanitarian actions sound almost a bad thing. You wound me.
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#44 - 2013-10-12 16:30:19 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Those of you who are non-combatants and are wondering how to help...


I am currently on an observational tour of Black Rise in Okagaiken and the surrounding systems. As I've been listening in on local channels and observing capsuleer activity I am becoming concerned about a particular issue. Relief efforts could be seriously hampered by the presence of opportunistic capsuleers with no loyalties who do nothing but hunt for opportunities to fight and kill. Even now, there are pilots licking their lips and waiting for more quarry. Relief efforts and humanitarian efforts will have to proceed with great caution and care or additional casualties will happen after the battle.

In response, DSTON will station the DSS Assist in Black Rise and offer covert transport of refugees out of Black Rise and into high security space pending the resolution of the crisis. We stand by to offer shelter, provision, and care to any who are displaced, injured or otherwise by any actions taken. We can also offer covert transport of supplies in limited quantities to the areas where they are needed.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Xadiran
Moira.
#45 - 2013-10-12 16:58:28 UTC
I'd like to say that members of Moira, myself included, have been scanning the constellation for signs of Heth. Should we discover anything, the data will be given to State capsuleers.

We firmly believe that he should be yours to bring to justice, and during our searches we will avoid confrontation with S.P. pilots if possible.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#46 - 2013-10-12 18:36:23 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
You make my bending over backwards to perform humanitarian actions sound almost a bad thing. You wound me.


Don't tease me Polevhia, you know I would enjoy the chance to do just that.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#47 - 2013-10-13 08:44:28 UTC
Okagaiken borders Cloud Ring....has anyone considered Heth is perhaps defecting to Goonswarm?

-Eran
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-10-13 12:08:41 UTC
Pieter, out of interest, could you explain what you mean by "tidepool effects?"

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#49 - 2013-10-13 13:13:03 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Okagaiken borders Cloud Ring....has anyone considered Heth is perhaps defecting to Goonswarm?

-Eran


At this point, I doubt he could afford their required Security Deposit
chaosjj
Doomheim
#50 - 2013-10-13 13:45:52 UTC
I hope they get him alive, this way, we can gather around our holoscreens with a hot drink and a few protein delicacies, and enjoy heth's trial.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#51 - 2013-10-13 16:43:56 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Pieter, out of interest, could you explain what you mean by "tidepool effects?"


Imagine local space as a pool of water. When a Gravitonic reactor goes 'implode' it causes a pinch, or knuckle, in the pool. These are usually quite navigable for a ship, simply being a micro-well in the local gravity skein that might cause your engine to race as you pass through them - but unpowered objects can easily be caught in them, just like in tidepools on a planetary beach when the tide goes out.

When MANY of these knuckles are created in a small area, you end up with a local gravity field that doesn't curve smoothly towards the nearest celestial body, instead it is highly chaotic. This is made worse when many knuckles of different sizes and strengths start colliding, consuming each other, merging etc. In the end, these effects are short-lived, but in the immediate aftermath of a battle it can make things quite dicey for escape pods - especially obsolete and poorly maintained ones.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#52 - 2013-10-13 17:33:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Pieter, out of interest, could you explain what you mean by "tidepool effects?"


Imagine local space as a pool of water. When a Gravitonic reactor goes 'implode' it causes a pinch, or knuckle, in the pool. These are usually quite navigable for a ship, simply being a micro-well in the local gravity skein that might cause your engine to race as you pass through them - but unpowered objects can easily be caught in them, just like in tidepools on a planetary beach when the tide goes out.

When MANY of these knuckles are created in a small area, you end up with a local gravity field that doesn't curve smoothly towards the nearest celestial body, instead it is highly chaotic. This is made worse when many knuckles of different sizes and strengths start colliding, consuming each other, merging etc. In the end, these effects are short-lived, but in the immediate aftermath of a battle it can make things quite dicey for escape pods - especially obsolete and poorly maintained ones.


It is worth noting that these micro-wells are indeed microscopic. No bigger than the tip of a pin, in fact. While their gravitational effects are strong enough to cause significant navigational hazards for unpowered or underpowered objects traveling nearby, the effect of being caught by one is at absolute worst - mere immobilization.

Most of these tiny "knuckles" are harmless, and cannot stop even a drifting escape pod. It is only when they begin combining together that they can trap and stop an escape pod from moving under its own power. Tractor beams from a larger vessel can easily tug the pods to safety later on. Under the worst case scenario, the escape pods will merely be immobilized for several hours until the micro-wells dissipate.

Under no realistic circumstances will any escape pods be torn apart or sucked into black holes. While such fears are commonly bandied about as rumor and urban legend, none of it has been proven true. A recent example often used in current versions of the myth cites the Battle of Asakai as a location where the Leviathan's capital graviton reactors caused a 'micro black hole' to form and destroy countless escape pods. The CONCORD inquiry into the safety and capability of escape pods following the Battle of Asakai turned up no evidence of spatial distortions anywhere near the intensity of a micro-singularity (which does not merely disappear a few days later). All destroyed escape pods at the scene of the battle were found to have been destroyed by collision, weapons fire, nearby explosions, or engine exhaust.

Katrina Oniseki

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-10-13 18:26:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
chaosjj wrote:
I hope they get him alive, this way, we can gather around our holoscreens with a hot drink and a few protein delicacies, and enjoy heth's trial.


Keep in mind that the State is less showy of trials and sentencing than the Federation. I doubt the trial and whatever punishment Heth receives will be broadcasted publicly. Especially after the State criticized the Federation heavily for Eturrer's extravagant public execution. The trial will be boring, and the punishment will be behind closed doors. You'll hear about it, but I'd be really surprised if you see it.

Besides, a man bursting into flames is a lot more visually stimulating than a man drinking poisoned tea.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#54 - 2013-10-14 02:31:56 UTC
The tea is for those with honour. The only way Heth will die that way is if he takes his own life before he's captured.

I expect a firing squad.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-10-14 03:02:54 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I expect a firing squad.


I expect another year of 'sightings' and nothing. That said, if I am not deployed as a part of operation Holyfield I would be more than willing to lead a fleet in pursuit. Possibly even relay relevant intel from our own networks.

And access to MasCal facilites and field triage if it comes down to it I guess.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-10-14 05:50:02 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The tea is for those with honour. The only way Heth will die that way is if he takes his own life before he's captured.

I expect a firing squad.


I suppose a firing squad is more likely. Though the irony of Heth being forced to drink the tea would be very impactful.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#57 - 2013-10-14 07:19:32 UTC
I'm pretty sure Heth will at best be a corpse found among the wreckage, if he's ever found at all. He doesn't seem the type to surrender.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#58 - 2013-10-14 07:38:01 UTC
A whole two days of patrolling with nothing substantial to report.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#59 - 2013-10-14 08:23:48 UTC
If there is to be a larger fight ahead with Heth again in coming days. i wish to be notified and i'll find my path to the battlefield
Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-10-14 10:10:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Anja Suorsa
Oh, of course! Allow us the time to co-ordinate a battle with Heth and his forces at a mutually agreeable location and time; A true State loyalist will inform you of the relevant details once the arrangements are in place.

Ridiculous.

As for the rest of you, he was spotted almost four days ago. So what? I could be seen in Hykanima a couple of days over. Not so any more, people and their ships move. I'm as anxious as anyone to have him brought before the CBT and/or CEP (the less said about pre-emptive death sentenses the better) but all of this has been built upon hersay from the media. You really should know better.