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New Eden and The Holy Amarr Empire

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-10-13 07:03:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
We are then in agreement. Doom could come from the Null Sec Capsuleer empire depending on the leader.

I for one do not hurl rocks or invectives at the goonswarm federation, they are neighbors in my home region that borders Null Sec. I have not had extensive dealings with them beyond that of a merchant offering goods they required. Being in low sec we pay attention when any non-blue ship flies through so we don't have situations that tempt or encourage criminal activity.

Truth be told if you publicized your cultural aspects beyond combat skillfulness many might view you differently. The fall of Montolio and the scattering of his followers is indeed a good thing for the cluster. Are the homeless remnants of Test now engaging in warfare on behalf of the Caldari state?
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As far as I know, that is what TEST is doing. As if I needed more reason to hate them.

As far as our culture goes:
Examples of our art.
One of the most amazing songs in the cluster ever, from Goonswarm. SUAS is a treasure to all.
In addition, I am a prize winning journalist within the Swarm.

Although, you've dodged my original question: Decrying the Empress is something they burn you for, right?

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#42 - 2013-10-13 07:15:43 UTC
Did someone seriously just say the words "Goon" and "culture" in the same breath? Oh my, that's funny.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#43 - 2013-10-13 07:25:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Slaver Filth
My apology I had no intention to dodge your question.

I do not believe Jamyl Sarum is a legitimate Empress.

Those who blindly follow her certainly would love to see my head on a pike. For the most part they are the same spineless toadies who sucked up to former Court Chamberlain Karsoth. Amarr needs people who prefer to do what is right over what is easy and popular. I would rather be right then popular. So I am ready to suffer the slings and arrows of those who feel good quoting the party line because it requires no thinking.

I am committed to the long term good of the Holy Amarr Empire, while keeping our traditions and faith intact. I am unconvinced that Jamyl Sarum is not a capsuleer. I am not convinced Jamyl Sarum has control of the mystery wonder weapon she used against the invading escaped slaves. I do not believe Jamyl Sarum is moving the empire in a safe or positive direction.

I can not sit idly by while another "Mad Emperor" sits on the Imperial throne. I am a voice in opposition to blindly following an unproved miracle worker who demands we emancipate our slaves for no compensation.

So if you fear assassins don't fly too close to me.


Edited: Forgive my previous excessive use of boldsOops

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-10-13 07:49:21 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Did someone seriously just say the words "Goon" and "culture" in the same breath? Oh my, that's funny.


You sound surprised about this, as though it is not possible for an organization to develop its own unique esprit-de-corps. Nullsec in general tends to create certain cultures around various alliances and coalitions, due to the nature of the environment requiring large amounts of trust and forging stronger bonds of friendship. It is my understanding that Wormholes are similar in that regard, that groups of people will form a group identity due to their shared experiences and the bonds of trust forged between them.

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#45 - 2013-10-13 09:08:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Slaver Filth
Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
Did someone seriously just say the words "Goon" and "culture" in the same breath? Oh my, that's funny.


You sound surprised about this, as though it is not possible for an organization to develop its own unique esprit-de-corps. Nullsec in general tends to create certain cultures around various alliances and coalitions, due to the nature of the environment requiring large amounts of trust and forging stronger bonds of friendship. It is my understanding that Wormholes are similar in that regard, that groups of people will form a group identity due to their shared experiences and the bonds of trust forged between them.
You should not expect much from Anabella. Her limited capacity to understand is legendary. Being both Godless and paranoid the concepts of forged trust and culture are completely alien to her.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#46 - 2013-10-13 10:16:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Anabella Rella wrote:
Did someone seriously just say the words "Goon" and "culture" in the same breath? Oh my, that's funny.

I too believe that someone's destiny comes from a tattoo that appears by magic.
Hush now, adults are speaking.


Slaver Filth wrote:
Lots of words, all in bold.

Granted my knowledge of Amarrian history and politics is rather limited, being new to the subject, however, it hardly seems as if she is a 'mad emperor.' Compared to, say, Heth or that one fellow in charge of the Republic, she seems downright sane. I guess I just don't see any harm.

Side note: Z, welcome to the CFC. Drop me a line if you are ever in Mittaningrad.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#47 - 2013-10-13 15:31:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Slaver Filth
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
Did someone seriously just say the words "Goon" and "culture" in the same breath? Oh my, that's funny.

I too believe that someone's destiny comes from a tattoo that appears by magic.
Hush now, adults are speaking.


Slaver Filth wrote:
Lots of words, all in bold.

Granted my knowledge of Amarrian history and politics is rather limited, being new to the subject, however, it hardly seems as if she is a 'mad emperor.' Compared to, say, Heth or that one fellow in charge of the Republic, she seems downright sane. I guess I just don't see any harm.

Side note: Z, welcome to the CFC. Drop me a line if you are ever in Mittaningrad.
Just as you are more knowledgable about the inner workings of the Goonswarm Federation then those of us outside of it, we inside the Amarr Empire are intimately more knowledgable about it then those on the outside. Coming from an ancient holder family I have the benefit of information channels that detail the happenings of the Imperial Court that do not filter down to the vast majority of Amarr capsuleers that are not from the same type lineage.

Jamyl is severely mentally afflicted by some non-specific illness that has her flailing about in fits of uncontrollable madness according to our sources hidden deep in the bureaucracy of the Imperial court. Those of us who truly love the empire have grave concerns for how this mental illness will manifest itself in her rulings from the Imperial throne.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#48 - 2013-10-13 15:41:11 UTC
Since her use of the weapon she used against the Elder fleet, more study has been done on it. I even took a curiosity to it after and hired a number of people to make inquiry.

Naturally the information isn't public knowledge and highly safeguarded.

However, is it just technology. Advanced only because it fights outside our traditional spectrum of warfare. It is a battleship's weapon, nothing more. Built like a virus that chains to multiple foes, turning one's shields inward onto the target's own ship.

Such a piece of technology could very easily be countered by capsuleers with knowledge of it.

Reinforce your armor and you'll withstand the weapon.

Sadly, none of the Elder fleet, nor do many capsuleers these days make use of such a tactic.


As for the Empress, Slaver Scum, you forget your Empire is founded by beliefs. Steer their beliefs, and you steer your people.

Unfortunately for you, not much of society outside the Empire has such reliance on beliefs.

So... rather than being so radical in your approach. I'd consider a new direction. Cater to the subtle connections and flaws that much up the society which so "believes" in your people's beloved Empress. Appear to support or even be empowered by her. Meanwhile, building a trail through the Empress's logic and other immortals' logic, then use all of it against them to strike a belief that is backed already and automatically by their own logic.

That is how you win over your people.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#49 - 2013-10-13 18:55:29 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:


Although, you've dodged my original question: Decrying the Empress is something they burn you for, right?


It can certainly result in a painful death, yes.

What Filth doesn't realise though is that he doesn't get to choose who the Empress or Emperor is, hence him throwing his proverbial toys out of the pram.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-10-13 19:15:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
Did someone seriously just say the words "Goon" and "culture" in the same breath? Oh my, that's funny.


You sound surprised about this, as though it is not possible for an organization to develop its own unique esprit-de-corps. Nullsec in general tends to create certain cultures around various alliances and coalitions, due to the nature of the environment requiring large amounts of trust and forging stronger bonds of friendship. It is my understanding that Wormholes are similar in that regard, that groups of people will form a group identity due to their shared experiences and the bonds of trust forged between them.


How could a Goon believe in or have any concept of trust when their entire history has comprised of their trust being betrayed, or betraying other people's trust?

What's next? A Sansha True Slave speaking about free will?

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#51 - 2013-10-13 20:32:00 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
What Filth doesn't realise though is that he doesn't get to choose who the Empress or Emperor is, hence him throwing his proverbial toys out of the pram.
Rodj fails to remember that commoners like him never had much voice in selecting our Emperors. Rodj and the rest of the Pusillanimous Imbecilic Evildoers Inc. just blindly follow orders like Gallente drones. Actions not even worthy of being classified as artificial intelligence, blunt instruments, wielded by their masters, nothing more.

When the current fraud is deposed Rodj and the rest of the Pusillanimous Imbecilic Evildoers Inc. will be kissing up to the next person to ascend to the throne with the same enthusiasm they exhibit now. So in all honesty they are not really any kind of a factor in change or choice.

They are simply the ammunition expended in this fight, they lack any vision or capacity to comprehend the real stakes or the possibly terrible consequences of their drone like responses. They are content like trained slavers hounds to strike wherever they are aimed. They will loyally follow their next master so they are actually of little concern in the molding of the Holy Amarr Empire's future in the cluster, blunt instruments will continue be employed by those in power.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#52 - 2013-10-14 16:39:00 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

How could a Goon believe in or have any concept of trust when their entire history has comprised of their trust being betrayed, or betraying other people's trust?

What's next? A Sansha True Slave speaking about free will?


You beat me to it, Pilot Fredbug. Did your irony meter also break when you read the statements of null sec people attempting to lecture us about trust? There's far more intrigue, petty politics, backstabbing, paranoia and suspicion in the null mega-alliances than anywhere else in the cluster.

As to you Vea, you reveal yourself for the ignorant bigot that you are. You know nothing of me you nattering nabob. I was raised in the Federation as an agnostic. I believe in the scientific method, the independently observable and verifiable. I'll thank you to take your bigoted assumptions back underneath the bridge from whence you spawned.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-10-14 20:49:44 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:


You beat me to it, Pilot Fredbug. Did your irony meter also break when you read the statements of null sec people attempting to lecture us about trust? There's far more intrigue, petty politics, backstabbing, paranoia and suspicion in the null mega-alliances than anywhere else in the cluster.

As to you Vea, you reveal yourself for the ignorant bigot that you are. You know nothing of me you nattering nabob. I was raised in the Federation as an agnostic. I believe in the scientific method, the independently observable and verifiable. I'll thank you to take your bigoted assumptions back underneath the bridge from whence you spawned.


I wouldn't generalize all null sec capsuleers in such a way Ms. Rella. There are some honest folk out here. I consider myself to be a trustworthy individual as well as my corporation. My alliance seems to have their act together as well. Though generally those who ally with the CFC are among the most vile folk in the cluster. Sadist who take pleasure in misery that make the Blood Raiders look tame. A classic "Good vs Evil" battle will consume nullsec and I feel that I am on the side of good, of course that's only a perspective.

There are really only two kinds of people in nullsec. Goons, and those fighting goons. I belong to the latter.

But yes, there is incredible irony in a Goon pet trying to lecture us about the nature of trust and friendship.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#54 - 2013-10-16 02:09:40 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:


You beat me to it, Pilot Fredbug. Did your irony meter also break when you read the statements of null sec people attempting to lecture us about trust? There's far more intrigue, petty politics, backstabbing, paranoia and suspicion in the null mega-alliances than anywhere else in the cluster.

As to you Vea, you reveal yourself for the ignorant bigot that you are. You know nothing of me you nattering nabob. I was raised in the Federation as an agnostic. I believe in the scientific method, the independently observable and verifiable. I'll thank you to take your bigoted assumptions back underneath the bridge from whence you spawned.


I wouldn't generalize all null sec capsuleers in such a way Ms. Rella. There are some honest folk out here. I consider myself to be a trustworthy individual as well as my corporation. My alliance seems to have their act together as well. Though generally those who ally with the CFC are among the most vile folk in the cluster. Sadist who take pleasure in misery that make the Blood Raiders look tame. A classic "Good vs Evil" battle will consume nullsec and I feel that I am on the side of good, of course that's only a perspective.

There are really only two kinds of people in nullsec. Goons, and those fighting goons. I belong to the latter.

But yes, there is incredible irony in a Goon pet trying to lecture us about the nature of trust and friendship.
It is not ironic at all that you and the dim bulb Rella agree, truth be told you are both cut from the same inferior cloth.

To coin a phrase "There are really only two kinds of people in The New Eden Cluster, The True Amarr who are God's chosen people, and all the others they will eventually have dominion over. I belong to the former."

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-10-16 03:48:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Slaver Filth wrote:
It is not ironic at all that you and the dim bulb Rella agree, truth be told you are both cut from the same inferior cloth.

To coin a phrase "There are really only two kinds of people in The New Eden Cluster, The True Amarr who are God's chosen people, and all the others they will eventually have dominion over. I belong to the former."


Have you ever considered dating Ms. Diana Kim? You two both share the common trait of being total embarrassments to your people and your nation. According to Galnet matchmaking pages, that makes you two incredibly compatible.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-10-16 10:00:01 UTC
Fredfredbug4
Have you ever considered putting a flamethrower in your mouth and pulling the trigger?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-10-16 10:44:27 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Fredfredbug4
Have you ever considered putting a flamethrower in your mouth and pulling the trigger?


So you're saying that you're not interested?

Sorry Mr.Filth, that's a bummer! Tell ya what, come down to Villore with me sometime and I can take you to one of the clubs. You'd be surprised how many women have a thing for rich old Amarrian men.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-10-16 10:56:05 UTC
Ms. Rella, while you may not believe in the voluval, the culture that you fight for does. Birds of a feather, as they say.
Frederick Fredal Bugabus the Fourth: you have all the bitterness of a former CFC member that could not hack it. I am in complete agreement with Kim-haani, which scares me quite a lot. Goons do not have pets, we have valued allies; yes, even SMA, who are the most shobon of shobon.

Back to the matter at hand.
Lord Filth (I assume and hope that your call sign was bestowed upon you as a joke), from what I have been able to tell, no one but the Heirs of the Empire can choose the next Emperor/Empress, not even holders. Again, if I am incorrect, please tell me. As for PIE, their actions seem to be in accordance with Scripture: " Uniform Thought is the Way of Life." I have also been told that God has given everyone their place and that each of us should be content with it. If the Empress is, as you claim, afflicted by some ailment, it would be the place of the heirs to take action, wouldn't it?

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#59 - 2013-10-16 17:55:44 UTC
Vea you may not believe in duplicity, megalomania, fraud, unbounded arrogance and taunting the mentally ill but, your group culture and leadership do. Birds of a feather, you know.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-10-16 18:22:45 UTC
Who taunts the mentally ill? The rest of your list is perfectly fine in the correct circumstances.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.