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Thinking of moving to 0.0 Income?

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Majindoom Shi
Nightmare Logistics
#1 - 2013-10-13 07:13:51 UTC
So I have been running incursions but thinking about moving into null due to being bored.
I will run complexes and ratting using T3 and BS, What kind of income can you make running these site?
I will also engage in PVP but only when I have to.
Will I be able to plex my accounts running these sites and can the money match incursions?
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-10-13 08:34:04 UTC
Yes. More isk involved. You can send me any info where you are about to rat and fit of your faction bs to come help you

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Majindoom Shi
Nightmare Logistics
#3 - 2013-10-13 09:08:58 UTC
Annunaki soldier wrote:
Yes. More isk involved. You can send me any info where you are about to rat and fit of your faction bs to come help you

Trust me you don't want to go where I am going you wouldn't last very long.
Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-10-13 09:47:14 UTC
As usual, it depends.

If you want to make more ISK in 0.0, you can do so, but it comes at the cost of effort and risk. If you want more or less risk- and effort-free isk, stick with incursions.
Mathias Orsen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-10-13 14:30:36 UTC
Majindoom Shi wrote:
Annunaki soldier wrote:
Yes. More isk involved. You can send me any info where you are about to rat and fit of your faction bs to come help you

Trust me you don't want to go where I am going you wouldn't last very long.


Extra funny, coming from someone asking what it's like in null sec.

The life cycle of an incursion runner is a beautiful thing.
Majindoom Shi
Nightmare Logistics
#6 - 2013-10-13 15:19:29 UTC
Mathias Orsen wrote:
Majindoom Shi wrote:
Annunaki soldier wrote:
Yes. More isk involved. You can send me any info where you are about to rat and fit of your faction bs to come help you

Trust me you don't want to go where I am going you wouldn't last very long.


Extra funny, coming from someone asking what it's like in null sec.

The life cycle of an incursion runner is a beautiful thing.
haha because rich Incursions runners don't have friends right? Never said I would be the one to kill him. The arrogance of a nullsec players is a beautiful thing. . Besides I have enough money to have him killed a thousand times over.. I might not be able to pvp right now but after triple boxing incursions for the past 2+ years daily at 40m per pilot I could probably pay off his own friends to kill him
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#7 - 2013-10-13 16:10:51 UTC
0.0 DED plexing can get you some nice income. But it's random and in 0.0 it's better to have friends. Solo running can take a while and is not that fun.

Incusions is more "stable."

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Mathias Orsen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-13 16:42:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Mathias Orsen
Majindoom Shi wrote:
Mathias Orsen wrote:
Majindoom Shi wrote:
Annunaki soldier wrote:
Yes. More isk involved. You can send me any info where you are about to rat and fit of your faction bs to come help you

Trust me you don't want to go where I am going you wouldn't last very long.


Extra funny, coming from someone asking what it's like in null sec.

The life cycle of an incursion runner is a beautiful thing.
haha because rich Incursions runners don't have friends right? Never said I would be the one to kill him. The arrogance of a nullsec players is a beautiful thing. . Besides I have enough money to have him killed a thousand times over.. I might not be able to pvp right now but after triple boxing incursions for the past 2+ years daily at 40m per pilot I could probably pay off his own friends to kill him


Really no need to talk about your isk. What might seem like a huge fortune to you may not even be enough to buy a PVP ship for someone else. We know how much isk incursion runners make and we know how incursion runners like to use that isk. As you can see, Annunaki already knows you have a nice fit Faction BS.

What made your response funny is that you start it off with the Words "trust me" wich is always a desperate attempt to make someone see things your way. As far as how long someone would last... Well, in null sec you have have Spies, cloaky campers, covert t3's that can warp through interdiction bubbles, Black-ops and Titan bridges. In and out.

To Sum up and tell the story of everything from the life-cycle of an incursion runner, the null carebear and titan bridges, I point you to this amazing article Amazing Loss of the Day. It starts out describing you very well.
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#9 - 2013-10-13 22:55:13 UTC
The best way to do it in null is get into a system that has military upgrades and run forsaken hubs, this will get you round 40mil ticks. Will need to find a good corp with sov, or rent some space from the goons.
I am looking for some people to join me in renting some null space, mail me if interested. I have a post up also..
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3733921#post3733921



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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#10 - 2013-10-13 23:20:39 UTC
GordonO wrote:
The best way to do it in null is get into a system that has military upgrades and run forsaken hubs, this will get you round 40mil ticks. Will need to find a good corp with sov, or rent some space from the goons.
I am looking for some people to join me in renting some null space, mail me if interested. I have a post up also..
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3733921#post3733921





With a vindicator, and with you renting a system that pops forsaken hubs (or enough forsaken hubs for your online pop) within your ability to get the arrays in place and pay the rent.

ie a low band system with PDA 4 only spawns 2 plain hubs and a forlorn hub, and if you had 2 people on, one of you may have to run one of the named rally points to avoid stopping.

Majindoom Shi
Nightmare Logistics
#11 - 2013-10-14 10:01:18 UTC
Thanks for all the responses. I have a corp / alliance with sov already lined up. They have jump bridges and all that fun stuff. And to the guy who said I prob can't afford a pvp fit I more than sure my vindi or mach incursion fits could cover the cost of a small pvp fleets hulls and fits. The reason for the post is I wanted to make sure I can sustain living in null for some time for pvp ships plex ect without dipping in to my wallet any. . And if you ever wonder why some people are hesitant to leave hi sec just look at half of the post here. Again thanks for the post that were actually helpful
Majindoom Shi
Nightmare Logistics
#12 - 2013-10-14 10:13:41 UTC
Mathias Orsen wrote:
Majindoom Shi wrote:
Mathias Orsen wrote:
Majindoom Shi wrote:
Annunaki soldier wrote:
Yes. More isk involved. You can send me any info where you are about to rat and fit of your faction bs to come help you

Trust me you don't want to go where I am going you wouldn't last very long.


Extra funny, coming from someone asking what it's like in null sec.

The life cycle of an incursion runner is a beautiful thing.
haha because rich Incursions runners don't have friends right? Never said I would be the one to kill him. The arrogance of a nullsec players is a beautiful thing. . Besides I have enough money to have him killed a thousand times over.. I might not be able to pvp right now but after triple boxing incursions for the past 2+ years daily at 40m per pilot I could probably pay off his own friends to kill him


Really no need to talk about your isk. What might seem like a huge fortune to you may not even be enough to buy a PVP ship for someone else. We know how much isk incursion runners make and we know how incursion runners like to use that isk. As you can see, Annunaki already knows you have a nice fit Faction BS.

What made your response funny is that you start it off with the Words "trust me" wich is always a desperate attempt to make someone see things your way. As far as how long someone would last... Well, in null sec you have have Spies, cloaky campers, covert t3's that can warp through interdiction bubbles, Black-ops and Titan bridges. In and out.

To Sum up and tell the story of everything from the life-cycle of an incursion runner, the null carebear and titan bridges, I point you to this amazing article Amazing Loss of the Day. It starts out describing you very well.
also for anyone who got a hard on thinking about maybe having a shot in hell of killing my incursion ships they are staying in hisec they will never see a system lower than 0.5. And they don't even get moved without my recon alt as transport. I am joining into null with some in in game friends who have been in null for 5+ years. And I will be joined at the hip to these guys flying my cheap ships till I learn all the important stufff there is to know. Tie their knowledge in with my c6 wh living experience and I think I will be ok.
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#13 - 2013-10-14 11:10:21 UTC
Majindoom Shi wrote:
So I have been running incursions but thinking about moving into null due to being bored.
I will run complexes and ratting using T3 and BS, What kind of income can you make running these site?
I will also engage in PVP but only when I have to.
Will I be able to plex my accounts running these sites and can the money match incursions?



Depends. I would say the income will not be as good as tripleboxing incursions if you take the CONCORD LP also into account. Sure, the plexses can have some shiny drops and there are officers and whatnot but at the end of a day incursions bring in probably a bit more isk if isk is all you would be after.

Null sec has, however, some other things going for it which can make it entertaining to stay in there even if the isk/h is not as good. Having a pile of isk goes only so far.

If you have not done null sec before my advice would be finding a good corp first. Good in the sense that it would have people in it that you could actually reasonably trust, as opposed to your average 250 man null sec "military" style corp who only needs meat for the great grinder that keeps null going. By the sound of it you already have some friends you know who can get you into their corp which is quite good start if their corp happens to be a good one. I would say approx 50 man established corps are the best to be in in null sec in my opinion (as in 50 people, not chars, they usually are somewhere in 100-150 char ballpark char count wise). It's about enough people to know them all but still large enough to have impact.

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.

Eaphod
Amalgamated Co-Operative Enterprise
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#14 - 2013-10-14 15:13:29 UTC
Majindoom Shi wrote:
also for anyone who got a hard on thinking about maybe having a shot in hell of killing my incursion ships they are staying in hisec they will never see a system lower than 0.5. And they don't even get moved without my recon alt as transport. I am joining into null with some in in game friends who have been in null for 5+ years. And I will be joined at the hip to these guys flying my cheap ships till I learn all the important stufff there is to know. Tie their knowledge in with my c6 wh living experience and I think I will be ok.


I'm really confused.

You begin the thread asking what potential ISK is to be had in null, yet you apparently have some uber buddies (of which you flaunt indicating they'd kill anyone besides you that shows up) in null already who apparently can't tell you how much ISK they make out there?

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#15 - 2013-10-14 16:54:09 UTC
Carniflex wrote:


Depends. I would say the income will not be as good as tripleboxing incursions if you take the CONCORD LP also into account. Sure, the plexses can have some shiny drops and there are officers and whatnot but at the end of a day incursions bring in probably a bit more isk if isk is all you would be after.


I've peronsally test it myself. Even in a non-shiney shield fleet, for an individual pilot the isk is better in high sec incursions than the averages to be had exploring or anom farming in null with the same ship with the exception of using the Vindicator in Serp or Guristas space anomalies. A Machariel (in any space) or a Nightmare (in Drones, Bloods or Sansha sapce) will come close, but the fact that unless you super bling your incursion boat no one will screw with you tips things further in the incursions favor isk wise.

Which brings up you second point:

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Null sec has, however, some other things going for it which can make it entertaining to stay in there even if the isk/h is not as good. Having a pile of isk goes only so far.


Exactly. I like null incursions but I LOVE null PVE. Getting an escalation from an anomaly is exciting. Scanning down a sig and realizing it's a plex that can drop a lot of cool stuff is even better. finding odd ball plexes than don't exist in any other part of space (like the ones in the cosmos constellation in Catch, I scanned one down and was all like "i've never heard of this" lol).

If you start with incursions, The only PVE isk that won't disappoint you is high end wormholes and super chaining level 5 missions.
Majindoom Shi
Nightmare Logistics
#16 - 2013-10-14 17:52:06 UTC
Eaphod wrote:
Majindoom Shi wrote:
also for anyone who got a hard on thinking about maybe having a shot in hell of killing my incursion ships they are staying in hisec they will never see a system lower than 0.5. And they don't even get moved without my recon alt as transport. I am joining into null with some in in game friends who have been in null for 5+ years. And I will be joined at the hip to these guys flying my cheap ships till I learn all the important stufff there is to know. Tie their knowledge in with my c6 wh living experience and I think I will be ok.


I'm really confused.

You begin the thread asking what potential ISK is to be had in null, yet you apparently have some uber buddies (of which you flaunt indicating they'd kill anyone besides you that shows up) in null already who apparently can't tell you how much ISK they make out there?

I know it sounds odd but they are primary pvp I just happen to have known these guys for a few years now. So asking them about isk per hour is as good as asking me about pvp. Also to the point of isk only goes so far. That is one of the reasons I am trying to move out to null. It has gotten to the point that I am simply bored of EVE. I do not want to quit but i don't want to keep doing the same thing every day. . They are about a 200 man corp I I want to say about 60-75 actual players. Thanks for all of your time guys sounds like something that I have to just go and try out.
Mathias Orsen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-10-14 21:38:34 UTC
The good thing is that if you are boxing 3 accounts to run incursions then you can box 3 sentry Domi's in Anomalies. You could also box three carriers but the main point is, 3 Domis are cheap and together are very effective.
Andrea Keuvo
Rusty Pricks
#18 - 2013-10-15 03:13:22 UTC
2x BS5/T2 sentry Domi pilots = 120M+ per hour running fhubs and havens. These ships are maybe 225M completely fit, leave your shinys in hisec.
Majindoom Shi
Nightmare Logistics
#19 - 2013-10-15 07:41:37 UTC
Mathias Orsen wrote:
The good thing is that if you are boxing 3 accounts to run incursions then you can box 3 sentry Domi's in Anomalies. You could also box three carriers but the main point is, 3 Domis are cheap and together are very effective.

Cept one of my pilots is a T3 Pilot with kills for recon and tackle scanning ect he is very specialized can't do domi's to well.
Thank you guys for the info..
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-10-15 08:34:11 UTC  |  Edited by: The Spod
Null anoms yield approx. 120-150M /hour in the high end configurations. Garde carrier is the 150/h printer in my experience, running ring sanctums in a -0.9 or better.

The figure is the average rate for high end, sometimes you get higher but in practise anything over 150 is excaggeration.

Further, nullsec salvage is vastly better than highsec due to high end be frequency. Marauders earn a ton of total income. The new marauders will be uncontestedly good in forsaken hubs also, but due to smartbombs rather than salvage/loot. One of my best setups in null was a nightmare running cap injected pulses and smartbombs in f-hub and gate haven.