Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Aww crap, typo, I meant the Orca, not the Noctis, will fix that, thanks

With regards to specific ship masteries, maybe it would be possible to require certain skills at a specific rank instead of only whole certificates? For example, a shuttle might benefit from the entire armor/shield reinforcement certificate but only one or two Navigation skills, so instead of listing the whole Navigation certificate only the relevant skill or two appears.

Maybe that kind of idea could get messy very quickly though.

My feedback

• Targeting ... only matching xxx Sensor Compensation Skill should be required for each ship
• Navigation ... Micro Jump Drive Operation ... handled already in another post
• Navigation ... move Jump Drive Operations into an own group, then you can apply that group to the corresponding capital ships and the black ops
• Resource Harvesting ... Ice Harvesting only required for mining barges / exhumers, so not required for Mining Frigates
• Resource Harvesting ... Gas Cloud Harvesting should only be required for Mining Frigates, so not required for Mining Barges / Exhumers
• Drones ... difficult with their specializations but I would only require the matching racial Drone specialization skill. This would go along with the turrets, i.e. you only require the matching racial favorite (e.g. hybrid guns) not the remaining two or even missiles

Basically, consider each ship on it's own when defining the skills/levels required for each mastery.
You want to help the people become proficient with that single ship.

If you don't want to put that much effort into the mastery, any time applied is too much, since it won't help.

In other words, it's good to have excellent shield skills when flying an armor ship (e.g. amarr) but the mastery levels for of the group shield should require lowers skill levels then the according mastery levels of a shield ship (e.g. caldari). Then people of armor ships would notice that the mastery of the ship requires higher skill levels in the armor group then in the shield group.
This would help.

To sum up:
The mastery of the ship should really match that single ship!
Some mastery levels may be generalized for groups of ships, as you suggested for navigation (non-BS, BS) or racial (e.g. Amarr require higher levels of armor skills, caldari require higher levels of shield skills) but in the end the mastery should match that single ship

I am sure this is probably been addressed already but would it be possible to use the approximate time it takes to earn a certificate? For example let say I am looking at the Widow Mastery lvl 5. You have certificate categories which can be expanded to skills needed. Perhaps inside the certificate category heading justified to the right side next to the status icon a total estimated time needed to learn that certificate?

I think that would help put into perspective the time needed and make it a bit easier rather than going through each individual skill to check. The estimated time to earn a cert is one of the nice parts of the planner I liked. With mastery tabs the planner isn't needed, but it would be nice to have that function back.

Consider the exhumers (max. locked targets 4)

Mastery ... Targeting ... (Advanced) Target Management
Level V mastery requires Advanced Target Management V
really, do you have to be able to handle that many targets with a ship
that can handle only 4 (before adding modules)

Just another example that it's better to determine what is useful for each ship on it's own
instead of applying generalized mastery things.

Thoughts on drone skills and mastery:


For 'perfect skills' (level 5 mastery)
- Drone bonused hulls capable of fielding 3 heavy or sentry drones should require all four racial specialisations and sentry drone interfacing to 5, and the heavy drones skill at 5 (can't remember the name for the life of me)
- Drone bonused hulls unable to field 3 heavies (<75 m^3 bandwidth) should require all four racial specialisations, but no sentry/heavy drone skills.
- Unbonused hulls with a drone bay of >= 75m^3 should require any one racial specialisation to L5, plus heavy and sentry skills to 5
- Unbonused hulls with a drone bay of < 75m^3 should require any one racial to 5, but no heavy or sentry skills
- Hulls with no drone bay should require no drone skills.

For level 4:
- Racial Specialisations should just be level 3.

Just my opinion the combat battle-cruisers are broken since you need leadership skills just for level one. the leadership skills shouldn't come into play for certificates till level 4 or 5. again just my opinion.

But you can fit Auto Targeting System II and lock 3 more targets.

Another thing you missed is Target Breaker skill which is currently required for Falcon although only BS can fit the module.

i just watched the video for the upcoming new patch and when listening to the section on certificates i had a thought of a way to reward players who reach level 5 for a certifigate group.

the devs talked about players wanting to become "awesome" by getting all the skills in the new certificate groups skilled so they can say they are certificate level 5 in say navigation or gunnery etc...

to make this an added incentive what if there was a bonus applied to players for reaching level 5 in each certificate group...so say gunnery certificate and reaching level 5 u could get an extra +1% for all skills in the certificate group....in the same vain as the implants and having all the slave/crystal/snake etc implants and getting a bonus for having all in the set..
(restrictions could be imposed so skills found in multiple certificates could not be exploited to gain multiple gains..ie only +1% for any skill no matter how many level 5 certificates the skill, is found in)

the bonus could also vary and +1% was given as a basic example but other things like an extra skill level so essentially they would be level 6 in those skills could also be done..

this would entice players to train all the skills to gain the level 5 certificate rather than what most players do and train a skill to level that allows them to use a module/item and not worry about the certicate that is attached to that skill..

it also rewards players who have patiently been with the game a long time and have trained the skills up to level 5 and adds the factor that not all players are clones of each other with identical skills as not all will have the level 5 certificates.

as it looks like now the system will be very nice but players get nothing for actuall achiving a level 5 certicate apart from bragging rights..a bonus would give motivation to skill those long skills up to level 5 to achive the certificate and get that certificate bonus on top on their skills..

example....
some1 with all gunnery skills up to level 5 would obviously qualify for the level 5 certificate and therefore get a +1% on all skills in the gunnery group....but some1 who only trains certain gunnery skills to level 5 and then moves onto other skills would not qualify for the cert or the bonus.
this in turn means when these 2 toons meet and battle it out the advantage would slightly be with the person who has the cert bonus as it should be for some1 putting the time and effort into his skills and being a master of that group/certificate..

this now means certificates actually are worth something in game instead of just a "woohoo" factor "I finally got he certificate" thing..


this mechanic is already in game for the implant sets and I believe it would not be hard to include the certificate groups into the same mechanic in game..ie ca1 ca2 ca3 ca4 implants all get set bonus which affects all aspects of ship flying as does all the low and high grade implant sets.

for consideration...

Another update:

• Certificate descriptions have been updated
• Removed the "armor resistance skill" from armor tanking (was only marginally useful)
• Shuttle and Freighters shouldn't require navigation skills tied to MWD or ABs anymore
• ECM certificate shouldn't require the Target Breaker skill anymore