Jita Park Speakers Corner

Title says it all.

The cloaky camper issue has become so bad that there are entire constellations where most people have simply walked away. And they don't go to another constellation of nullsec, or even highsec - they have gone to War Thunder, WoW, and the Star Citizen beta.

EVE Online is being strangled by campy cloakers shutting down systems, and making it impossible to play. Add to that if you do play, you get hotdropped and killed by 5 to 10 black ops battleships, or if you have Pandemic, 2 or 3 Nyx. That would be fine, except having ganked they warp off to safes, cloak, then wait cloaked until they can get a new gank, or jump out.

There is no fight, no epic battle, just a gank then nothing more until another player undocks, gets ganked, and says screw this I'm playing a game that I can *play* not one that consists of everyone afk camping for weeks.

Solutions.

(1) Make cloaking devices require Heavy Water as fuel, which depletes at 25 per minute. Use your cloak wisely, it will run out.

(2) Make it that only Stealth Bombers can recloak while an engagement timer is active. Yes, I mean the 15 minute one. If you jump in your Nyx to gank someone, then they can scan you down and actually fight. PvP might happen, rather than gank and go.

(3) this is actually the most commonly discussed in our null alliance: we all go to Star Citizen the day it launches on the basis that the Devs have painted themselves into a gameplay corner now, such that in effect the Rogue Sneak Attack from World of Warcraft summarizes the state of 'pvp' in EVE Online, and things are simply going to go downhill from here on out for EVE. Do I ant that? No, not really. I like EVE. But I think there is a massive problem with instant alpha damage and hotdrop insta kills.

And don't get me wrong, I own two Redeemers, and mercilessly butcher people too. I just think there is neither challenge nor skill required for a lot of this game now, and the changes (1) and (2) above would improve things a lot.

And if nothing changes ... well there is always Star Citizen. Or Darkfall Unholy Wars, that has better pvp than EVE now, or at least will after the next massive balance patch. So yes CCP, shape up or watch this game wither and die.

And CSM ... do your job. The current suggestions from CCP are going down the track of increased alpha, shorter fight times. All that means is fewer players, because everyone stays in their POS / stations and logs out when you see an enemy scout, because you know the hotdrop is right behind them. With hindsight, adding instant travel was a massive mistake. But the map is so bad in EVE that it was needed ... so EVE is currently in this horrible design mess. At least the cloaking issue can be fixed by the simple and game-consistent mechanic of requiring a cloak to use fuel. That one simple change would make covert pilots need to use their brains ... and if afk all day, would lead to their deaths.

You have no in-game right to solo farm with your blinged out whatever.

make friends, get cheap ratting/pvp fits, farm stuff together

you will:

a) likely never get dropped
b) have the ability to win/break tackle/inflict damage back/have fun even if you are dropped
c) lose nothing of real value even if you are dropped and obliterated

Stop playing eve like every other mindless pve grindfest, and youll be just fine

This thread is late it's been a whole month since the last nerf cloaking thread.

Here we go:

All covert ops ships are made of glass

Their survival depends on hitting when the opponent is not ready

Local prevents surprise attacks

sitting idle counteracts local

No you may not have risk free ratting in null

that about covers it. If you contract me your stuff I'll put it to good use.

I love how I went away for three years, came back a few months ago and people are still complaining about this......

What issue?

I love how their entire premise predicates on their absurd assertion that EVE is dying because of afk cloaking, and afk cloaking only. Gotta love the name dropping of Star Citizen too.

To the OP:

Get over it, and get over yourself. You are a coward. You don't belong in nullsec, wormhole space, lowsec, or any other kind of "lawless space", as these areas are frequently described.

Go back to highsec, and hide behind CONCORD, since other people scare you so much.

So in other words, you want me to not play. Got it.

That is PRECISELY THE PROBLEM - this game is a niche game, and due to game design decisions the MAJORITY of the players who DO play are EXCLUDED from 50% of the game. Why do you think people quit EVE? And do you REALLY think new players looking for a space game are going to join EVE Online, a 10 year old game with a perception of a vile anti-new-player community, or a fresh game called Star Citizen?

Wake up, troll, and realize that you are indeed part of why EVE Online is at a critical point now. I want this game to continue to grow and deepen into the original concept. But lets get real here - if new players stop joining, and old players keep leaving, EVE Online will not 'die; as such, but it will be CCP's number three or four game in terms of design effort and marketing. They will keep it ticking over but forget about real improvements: if you want those, buy Valkyrie, Dust, or World of Darkness?

So yes, use your brain people. Not your in-game troll personas.

Then like all games before it, EVE will wither until it eventually dies.

yes after 10 years of growth, THIS is the year that cloaky ships will kill EVE because

I don't know about that. I think that gaining ISK has become easier than ever, so more people are able to buy PLEX. Which reduces supply and increases demand at the same time.