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Phantax Naari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-10-02 13:57:50 UTC
Will the new RHML be restricted to Battleships only or will any ship capable of using a Heavy Launcher be able to use them ?
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#2 - 2013-10-02 14:00:05 UTC
They will need large high slots that are found on all battleships and some battlecruisers
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#3 - 2013-10-02 14:11:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
There is no battlecruiser currently in the game that can fit large launchers effectively. The RHMs will be BS weapons.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#4 - 2013-10-02 14:28:33 UTC
They will be restricted to anything that has a launcher slot and enough PWG and CPU to fit them. I think. As far as I remember, you can get XL gun Abaddons, it just takes 6 or 7 RCU's to fit. They might have changed things since then. I don't know because the last 2 people said something about large launcher slots.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-10-02 14:38:41 UTC
I don't know if RHM launchers will have a flag that states they're only capable of fitting on battleships, but I suspect that CPU and powergrid demands will be in the same general ballpark as cruise and torpedo launchers - much like Rapid Light Missile launchers have greater powergrid needs than Light Missile launchers, by a factor of ten. Given the RLM precedent, I'd expect RHM launchers to need anywhere from 500 to 1,000 MW apiece.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#6 - 2013-10-02 14:53:34 UTC
There is no flag/hard cap on weapon sizes (except when using XL weapons on BS hulls). That does not mean though that it would make sense to fit a RHM to a BC. A single bonused HML would probably do better...
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#7 - 2013-10-02 15:18:34 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
There is no flag/hard cap on weapon sizes (except when using XL weapons on BS hulls). That does not mean though that it would make sense to fit a RHM to a BC. A single bonused HML would probably do better...

Oh, so they did remove the ability to get an XL Abaddon. This makes me sad.

Anyways, as for using the RHML on a BC, it would be on par with a 25% RoF bonused HML (assuming it's the same as the RLML:LML relationship), but at the cost of probably 4 or 5 launchers fitting. On the Drake with a 50% damage bonus, it's even worse.

You could fit it, but it's just really dumb.
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#8 - 2013-10-12 02:07:47 UTC
Of course if there were a Tier 3 BC that could fit BS launchers then it would have a place.
But missiles get shafted again....
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#9 - 2013-10-12 11:23:35 UTC
Im fairly sure you cant fit oversized guns anymore.
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#10 - 2013-10-12 11:32:40 UTC
Icarus Able wrote:
Im fairly sure you cant fit oversized guns anymore.

You can, but XL turrets are no longer possible to fit on Battleships. If you have one fitted already it won't let you undock with it, much like having too many modules on ships that had them reduced.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#11 - 2013-10-12 11:38:11 UTC
Phantax Naari wrote:
Will the new RHML be restricted to Battleships only or will any ship capable of using a Heavy Launcher be able to use them ?

Well since RLML has the fitting reqs of HML one would assume that RHML should have the fittings reqs of Cruise ML.

So any ship that can use one or more CMLs should be able to use RHML.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-10-12 18:41:00 UTC
that's the logical & sensible way to work it .....



I think it's going to be great for people that prefer to do stuff in groups
will allow a little more individuality and less fotm snoozefesting
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-10-12 19:47:01 UTC
Phantax Naari are you dumb why cant you use its topic in Features & Ideas Discussion?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#14 - 2013-10-12 19:52:20 UTC
Phantax Naari wrote:
Will the new RHML be restricted to Battleships only or will any ship capable of using a Heavy Launcher be able to use them ?


The fitting requirements will limit their effective use to battleships. You might be able to fit one to your Drake....

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#15 - 2013-10-13 04:10:44 UTC
I'm putting them on my Tengu. Lol

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#16 - 2013-10-13 12:06:34 UTC
If I'm not mistaken how it works now is that you can fit an oversized weapon in the fitting screen in a station, but you can't undock the ship, you'll get some warning message. Back in the day you could actually undock the ship and use the weapons so there some pretty hilarious fits like Dual 150mm Railgun Incursus and my personal favourite, Citadel Torp Launcher Abaddon =P